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EdmondDantes_

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16. Considering what's left of Hamas right now isn't capable of doing much, the cause of death and starvation today is Israe
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:04 PM
Aug 2025

Sure Hamas launched the October 7th attacks, and sure that was in response to years of Israel settlement expansion and that was in response to some other violent acts, etc etc, so on and so forth for a very long time. Who fucking cares who started it at this point? It's utterly irrelevant. The killing today is being done by Israel. All of it needs to stop. Hamas needs to stop, Israel needs to stop, Hezbollah needs to stop, etc. The proverbial two wrongs don't make a right. Where does the violence end?

Self-defense should be proportionate to the threat and stop once the threat is over. Today, Hamas isn't a threat. But keep this up and a whole new bunch of people are going to be radicalized. Yes Israel had the right and responsibility to respond to the October 7th attack with violence. What Israel is doing is revenge not self-defense.

If we take what seems to be your position, we could have continued bombing Afghanistan for how long? Or bombing Germany and Japan after they weren't in a position to stop us. Sure you can say that Hamas still has somewhere between 20-50 remaining hostages, and so Hamas hasn't fully surrendered, but that is not justification for intentional starvation of millions of people. There were some Japanese soldiers who didn't surrender after WWII. We didn't nuke their hideouts.

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Israel bans fishing in Gaza amid food shortage ABC NEWS cliffside Aug 2025 #1
An estimated 14,500 Holocaust Survivors died nearly immediately upon liberation from Refeeding Syndrome vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #2
To be rescued and then to die :( but now we know better because of that experience ... cliffside Aug 2025 #4
Israel needs to take over Gaza as soon as possible to prevent this gulliver Aug 2025 #3
I mean, all that seems to fly in the face of reality. Eko Aug 2025 #5
HAMAS attacked Israel, but ISRAEL is responsible for the subsequent deaths and putative starvation? OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #6
Yes, I dont see why you have a problem with that. Eko Aug 2025 #7
Here. I'll help. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #8
Im not even sure what you are saying. Eko Aug 2025 #9
You don't get it. I understand. I'm not surprised. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #11
Yes, I literally dont understand what you are saying. Eko Aug 2025 #12
This is ridiculous. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #17
Ok Eko Aug 2025 #21
When I joined in 2004 discussion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict was not allowed in GD, only in the IP forum ... cliffside Aug 2025 #13
It's the "Israel can do no wrong" position. writerJT Aug 2025 #20
Could be, or it just could be that we are having problems communicating. Eko Aug 2025 #22
Like the US was with Germany and Japan? tia uponit7771 Aug 2025 #15
No. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #18
You asked... uponit7771 Aug 2025 #25
Considering what's left of Hamas right now isn't capable of doing much, the cause of death and starvation today is Israe EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #16
According to the Israeli military they already control 75% of Gaza and in FEBRUARY 2024 had killed 40% of Hamas cliffside Aug 2025 #10
Not while crooked ass BB is in charge uponit7771 Aug 2025 #14
Gonna liberate the hell outta them, eh? writerJT Aug 2025 #19
It hasn't worked before, why will that work now? Pull the IDF back. marble falls Aug 2025 #28
Good news! Huckabee Says U.S.-Backed Aid Sites in Gaza Will 'Scale Up' cliffside Aug 2025 #23
The elected government of Gaza has not served its constituents well. nt LexVegas Aug 2025 #24
Thats something you could say about our government Bobstandard Aug 2025 #26
A lot of Israelis feel the same about Netanyahu ... marble falls Aug 2025 #29
Easy enough to stop it. Pull the IDF back. marble falls Aug 2025 #27
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