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OilemFirchen

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17. This is ridiculous.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:52 PM
Aug 2025

1) At the outset of this war, some were conflating Hamas with Gaza. Those individuals were rightfully admonished. Hamas had attacked Israel on October 7 - not the Gazans, who were afforded the presumption of being the territory's citizens.

2) Accordingly, the conversation generally shifted to the appropriate parties being participants, though lazily by describing the war as being between Netanyahu (and all of the juvenile names assigned to him) and Hamas.

3) It took only a moment before the conversation shifted to describing the parties as Israel and Hamas. Do you see the problem? If there was appropriate pushback, I never noticed it. I was unable to participate for a lengthy time and am only now, on rare occasion, willing to do so. But the bastardization stuck, didn't it? Sorry that you happen to be my target amongst the vast majority who are, giving the benefit of the doubt confused, but the comment to which I replied was a perfect example - Gazans died from bombs dropped by Israel. Gazans are being starved thanks to Israel. Hamas started it, but Israel is now to be held in contempt.

To be more clear, let's humor ourselves and state that Israel is the the citizens of the country, okay? So what's the verdict? Are the Israelis accountable for what happens in Gaza, or is it Netanyahu (or the Knesset or the Likud Party)? Ultimately, it doesn't matter - obviously - as the propagandist narrative has taken hold, and as the majority of the Western world is just fine with that obscenity having become a natural description of the ongoing war. I don't speak in those terms, and will, albeit infrequently, call it out every time I see it. Either this is a war between the governing authority of a country and the governing authority of a territory, or it's a war between its people. I say it's the former and you, with all due deference, can't make up your mind.

4) I fucking hate having to be so explicit four responses deep into a comment I made that was, itself, explicit.

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Israel bans fishing in Gaza amid food shortage ABC NEWS cliffside Aug 2025 #1
An estimated 14,500 Holocaust Survivors died nearly immediately upon liberation from Refeeding Syndrome vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #2
To be rescued and then to die :( but now we know better because of that experience ... cliffside Aug 2025 #4
Israel needs to take over Gaza as soon as possible to prevent this gulliver Aug 2025 #3
I mean, all that seems to fly in the face of reality. Eko Aug 2025 #5
HAMAS attacked Israel, but ISRAEL is responsible for the subsequent deaths and putative starvation? OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #6
Yes, I dont see why you have a problem with that. Eko Aug 2025 #7
Here. I'll help. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #8
Im not even sure what you are saying. Eko Aug 2025 #9
You don't get it. I understand. I'm not surprised. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #11
Yes, I literally dont understand what you are saying. Eko Aug 2025 #12
This is ridiculous. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #17
Ok Eko Aug 2025 #21
When I joined in 2004 discussion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict was not allowed in GD, only in the IP forum ... cliffside Aug 2025 #13
It's the "Israel can do no wrong" position. writerJT Aug 2025 #20
Could be, or it just could be that we are having problems communicating. Eko Aug 2025 #22
Like the US was with Germany and Japan? tia uponit7771 Aug 2025 #15
No. OilemFirchen Aug 2025 #18
You asked... uponit7771 Aug 2025 #25
Considering what's left of Hamas right now isn't capable of doing much, the cause of death and starvation today is Israe EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #16
According to the Israeli military they already control 75% of Gaza and in FEBRUARY 2024 had killed 40% of Hamas cliffside Aug 2025 #10
Not while crooked ass BB is in charge uponit7771 Aug 2025 #14
Gonna liberate the hell outta them, eh? writerJT Aug 2025 #19
It hasn't worked before, why will that work now? Pull the IDF back. marble falls Aug 2025 #28
Good news! Huckabee Says U.S.-Backed Aid Sites in Gaza Will 'Scale Up' cliffside Aug 2025 #23
The elected government of Gaza has not served its constituents well. nt LexVegas Aug 2025 #24
Thats something you could say about our government Bobstandard Aug 2025 #26
A lot of Israelis feel the same about Netanyahu ... marble falls Aug 2025 #29
Easy enough to stop it. Pull the IDF back. marble falls Aug 2025 #27
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