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54. Not all "gun nuts" support Zimmerman. ...

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:43 PM

Dec 2012

I feel I many here would qualify me as a "gun nut" as I own a small collection of firearms and have enjoyed target shooting handguns for over 40 years. (Note: I don't feel the term "gun nut" is an insult but I do prefer the term "gun enthusiast." I am often surprised how many "liberals" use politically correct terms except when referring to gun owners.)

I also have a Florida concealed weapons permit and I carry on a regular basis.

From the information that I have received from reading the news reports, I fault Zimmerman for pursuing Martin after being instructed not to do so. He had contacted the police and his responsibly ended at that point. A concealed weapons permit does not make you a cop nor does it give you permission to be a vigilante.

Since I personally dislike trial by the media I was happy to see Zimmerman will get his day in court. He will have a fair chance to present his defense. A jury will decide his fate and that is reasonable to me.

But perhaps I am wrong and we should allow the media to play judge and jury.

I have talked to several other people who have carry permits in Florida and not one stated that he would have acted as Zimmerman is reported to have done.

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Dear NRA apologists: "It will never happen" is not a valid argument against gun control. [View all] DanTex Dec 2012 OP

Recommend. morningfog Dec 2012 #1

I don't like the word ban neither do any of the 80 million gun owners in America former-republican Dec 2012 #2

Mendacious and wild-eyed: That's what the NY Times calls the NRA. byeya Dec 2012 #3

But, again, that is an argument about politics and feasibility. DanTex Dec 2012 #5

I'm open to dialog about regulating firearms as is most gun owners on this site. former-republican Dec 2012 #8

Of course you can have a discussion. You just choose not to. DanTex Dec 2012 #13

I'm having one right now and have made several posts in threads about the NFA former-republican Dec 2012 #14

Heller. sir pball Dec 2012 #85

I am not a gun grabber and I support a ban on assault rifles and hand guns Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #6

So you want any new person of legal age with no mental illness , criminal or felony conviction former-republican Dec 2012 #9

Yes it is, we don't need any more George Zimmermans Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #12

By starting your argument with George Zimmerman and former-republican Dec 2012 #15

And You Have No Credibility At All, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #16

So then you want to discuss mental illness not firearms former-republican Dec 2012 #20

The car was not designed to kill but the gun was Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #22

He was trying to blame the firearm arm for suicides former-republican Dec 2012 #29

It is true that people are far more likely to commit suicide if they own a gun Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #32

And To Put It Even Colder, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #33

What percentage of those who own a firearm for self defense do you feel have ... spin Dec 2012 #48

Whether A Fear is Rational, Sir, Is a Proper Field For Inquiry The Magistrate Dec 2012 #51

I would rather think ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #58

The Possibility, Sir, I Will Find A Stack Of Hundred Dollar Bills On the Sidewalk Is Not Zero The Magistrate Dec 2012 #90

Yes it might be true that a person who owns and carries a deadly weapon ... spin Dec 2012 #64

Therefore you must believe that my having fire alarms and fire extinguishers in my home ... spin Dec 2012 #89

By The Standards Employed There, Sir, Me And Mine Have Done Our Violent Crime Exposure The Magistrate Dec 2012 #92

If my situational awareness fails me and I find myself confronted by a street thug ... spin Dec 2012 #100

Already Replied To In #99 Below, Sir.... The Magistrate Dec 2012 #102

People who are paranoid are more likely to have a mental illness than people who are not paranoid Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #52

Let me ask you a simple question. ... spin Dec 2012 #74

In all liklihood you will never need to use your weapon. Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #94

If you noticed I said that I have no reason to expect that I ever will have to use my weapon ... spin Dec 2012 #96

This, Sir, Is Truly, Uproariously, Funny The Magistrate Dec 2012 #99

Of course for you to make such a judgment without knowing me or my experiences ... spin Dec 2012 #103

Only, Sir, If You Are Going To Claim You Are Not a Human Being The Magistrate Dec 2012 #104

No. I don't come from Mars. ... spin Dec 2012 #105

Stick To The Flat Fact, Sir: Squid's Ink Will Not Do The Magistrate Dec 2012 #23

your fact is incorrect former-republican Dec 2012 #27

Denying Facts, Sir, Will Not Help You Either, Though It Will Amuse the Audience Watching You Wriggle The Magistrate Dec 2012 #28

You sir are incorrect again former-republican Dec 2012 #37

Possession Of A Fire-Arm Increases The Danger Its Owner is Exposed To: Flat Fact, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #38

I thought you would stop there, thank you former-republican Dec 2012 #40

You Cannot Refute It, Sir: There Is Nowhere Else To Go The Magistrate Dec 2012 #42

This is absolutely correct. There have been many studies about this. DanTex Dec 2012 #41

Part Of His Problem, Sir, Is Not Understanding Risk 'In the Round' The Magistrate Dec 2012 #46

Any one of those gun owners is at risk. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #62

Just ones that say that guns are awesome neverforget Dec 2012 #77

A gun did kill Trayvon Martin, but that gun did not protect George Zimmerman Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #18

Not all "gun nuts" support Zimmerman. ... spin Dec 2012 #54

Not all gun nuts, but far too many of them Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #59

I feel you are basing your opinion on post you read on some pro-gun forums. ... spin Dec 2012 #67

Sure, I have read lots of praise for Zimmerman on the pro-gun boards Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #69

You may be right ... spin Dec 2012 #71

We wouldn't be the first country to do this Major Nikon Dec 2012 #55

Do you seriously think... 99Forever Dec 2012 #7

+1 ellisonz Dec 2012 #21

When you extend the phrase "gun nuts" to anyone who owns guns hack89 Dec 2012 #44

Pungently ironic, as well. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #57

Did you realize the post that was a response to refered to "gun grabber nut cases"? Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #60

Yeppers... 99Forever Dec 2012 #84

"Insulting and pissing off people is not the best way to get support for your ideas." 99Forever Dec 2012 #79

Better wait until they pass actual legislation before doing your happy dance. hack89 Dec 2012 #80

Whatever you say, buddy. 99Forever Dec 2012 #82

You realize the AWB will not be retroactive? hack89 Dec 2012 #83

You writing the legislation, are you? 99Forever Dec 2012 #86

No - Senator Feinstein is. I will take her at her word. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #95

So, one Senator has the ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #98

She has already said she is introducing the AWB bill hack89 Dec 2012 #101

Aren't you tired? What is so frightening about the word "ban"? jmg257 Dec 2012 #10

Regulating semi-automatic weapons the same way we do automatic weapons RomneyLies Dec 2012 #11

Ban the guns. Ban, ban, ban, ban. And not the roll-on. nt valerief Dec 2012 #30

"gun grabber nut cases " etherealtruth Dec 2012 #49

How about we talk about gun safety measures, one of which is the banning of Skidmore Dec 2012 #91

Agreed, they claim we can't ban them beacause there are too many on the street already Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #4

Ban on pot worked so well... Mec9000 Dec 2012 #17

Pot is not even remotely the same thing as guns Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #19

You are talking about banning things Mec9000 Dec 2012 #25

Actually there are plenty of bans that work Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #26

98% of guns you get in a ban are not the ones you need to worry about. Mec9000 Dec 2012 #31

Yes, guns last a long time so why do we need to keep making more of them? Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #34

Well who gave you personally the power to Mec9000 Dec 2012 #36

What the hell are you talking about? How do the Westboro idiots apply to this? Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #39

You did say Mec9000 Dec 2012 #47

Yes, that is what I said, notice I did not tell anyone what they need Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #50

Oh, so first you say bans won't work, then you say bans will work? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #87

Where did I say bans won't work? Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #93

pretty lame G_j Dec 2012 #24

I'm growing a batch of Glocks right now! Deep13 Dec 2012 #56

It's an interesting argument, but I don't accept it because ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #35

I will be back to continue this but right now I have two 90 pound former-republican Dec 2012 #43

all that aside, how would you ever expect the GOP house to pass that legislation? dionysus Dec 2012 #45

That would effectively ban all handguns except revolvers. Deep13 Dec 2012 #53

What's the problem with having armed officials and an unarmed public? DanTex Dec 2012 #68

You obviously haven't studied history very much .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #72

Another non-answer. Is anyone going to even attempt to mount a rational defense of the DanTex Dec 2012 #75

partly principal and partly practicality. Deep13 Dec 2012 #81

That's a fair answer. DanTex Dec 2012 #97

They want us to shrug and say 'these things happen, nothing to be done about it' Dems to Win Dec 2012 #61

Here' an idea. Why doesn't a group of "good gun guys" get together and start another non-profit to libdem4life Dec 2012 #63

Yes it is. Dreams vs. Reality is always a valid argument! Just like if the anti-DUI people....... Logical Dec 2012 #65

Putting the word "IMPOSSIBLE" it in capital letters does not improve the argument. DanTex Dec 2012 #70

I 100% agree it is not a bad idea. It will just never happen. Lets focus initially..... Logical Dec 2012 #73

Don't say never. I agree that we should get what we can in the short term. DanTex Dec 2012 #76

"It will never happen" was also said about integration, Women's suffrage, and the 8 hour work day. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #66

Once Those Dodges Have Been Used It Is On To Attacking The Messenger cantbeserious Dec 2012 #78

yes. it. is. spanone Dec 2012 #88