General Discussion

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

63. Omg, I can't believe I just that here on DU.

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:05 PM

Dec 2012

Explain please what the SS fund had to do with creating the deficit.

We do not 'means test' SS. Pelosi is WRONG. This will cut the benefits of the people who OWN that fund. No one has a right to touch that fund other than the American people who own it. They did not create the deficit, that fund is solvent, the Fed Govt borrowed from the SS fund, they borrowed from China, they borrowed from Japan, and they pissed all that money away on Wars and on Tax Cuts for the wealthy. Iow, they ran up debts with our money that they could not afford.

Now please explain why the people they borrowed from should be forced to pay their gambling debts.

Should China have to pay also, Japan, because the American People's fund is in exactly the same position as China and Japan, two more creditors of the Fed Gov. They are all creditors of the US Govt and in no way would China tolerate being told they have to take a cut to the money we owe them.

Please explain why the American people should be defaulted on any more than any other creditor.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

102 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Nth dimentional chess, poker or whatever I don't give a f*** That is NOT the point [View all] Drew Richards Dec 2012 OP

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #1

agreed Another McIntosh. roguevalley Dec 2012 #90

They would have us believe Obama was playing a game. Autumn Dec 2012 #2

K&R COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #7

Wish I could rec your post. DireStrike Dec 2012 #13

thx Drew Richards Dec 2012 #3

You are correct, however, the truth is it was put on the table because still_one Dec 2012 #4

and it is still a third way compromise that has nothing to do with the current Drew Richards Dec 2012 #6

You are so right, and the solution is so simple still_one Dec 2012 #36

Where the bargaining should have started abelenkpe Dec 2012 #46

In many ways... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #52

Better he cut funding for education, transportation... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #5

Am I to understand that you believe this is an absolute? Drew Richards Dec 2012 #8

Nothing is absolute, but we're not voting anyone in for... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #16

I wish I did have a viable solution that could pass...but since Drew Richards Dec 2012 #22

This is why democrats needed and need to win back the house. Nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #47

It's called "big boy politics"....get used to it or be perpetually angry about everything. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #9

And here I thought frustrated_lefty Dec 2012 #17

Excellent response! n/t truedelphi Dec 2012 #28

Maybe that's why you're "frustrated". nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #33

Maybe Obama should look for savings outside the "entitlements." amandabeech Dec 2012 #54

Because the President never announces defense cuts?..... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #59

Both your quotes predate the current negotiations. amandabeech Dec 2012 #67

I don't recall that being the question I answered. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #73

But this thread pertains to the immediate budget problem that must amandabeech Dec 2012 #75

Except he wants 'entitlements' to pay down the deficit. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #102

Thank you, well said idwiyo Dec 2012 #51

kind of like the Washington definition of courage: screwing the poor and middle class yurbud Dec 2012 #80

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #82

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #91

No, it's called republicans ideas win whether or not they control the White House or yurbud Dec 2012 #78

Meanwhile, John Boehner lays weeping in a pool of his own sick. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #10

Yes. Any other take is simply disingenuous bullshit. DirkGently Dec 2012 #11

"Neither is excusable." woo me with science Dec 2012 #15

Yes! Not one penny of SS comes from the government--it comes from payments into savannah43 Dec 2012 #50

Sweetheart. The money coming from the gub'mint is money owed to S.S. jerseyjack Dec 2012 #98

"the only sane reaction to it is relentless opposition." Absolutely. He's going to keep pushing AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #83

The info on specific tax loopholes etc alone is worth R'ing this OP. Thanks n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #12

AND he used it as a hostage to ensure an austerity deal, woo me with science Dec 2012 #14

Quit your frothing and settle down before you blow an artery. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #18

Playing a game with senior citizens, the poor, the disabled is a pretty inhumane game especially jillan Dec 2012 #19

+ 1 TDale313 Dec 2012 #43

Well, I'm a senior citizen (not yet eligible for Social Security) and we're getting food stamps.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #62

yep heaven05 Dec 2012 #95

Thank you. TDale313 Dec 2012 #20

It's also nice to put that fear into the lives of those who rely on SS. savannah43 Dec 2012 #48

Exactly. TDale313 Dec 2012 #49

we heaven05 Dec 2012 #21

The hell I will. TDale313 Dec 2012 #24

my point heaven05 Dec 2012 #25

You have no idea TDale313 Dec 2012 #30

well heaven05 Dec 2012 #65

I genuinely hope you're right. TDale313 Dec 2012 #71

hey heaven05 Dec 2012 #94

No. You ain't fucked yet, but better look for a discount tube of K-Y. jerseyjack Dec 2012 #99

lol heaven05 Dec 2012 #101

You are totally misinterpreting why the Republicans turned down the offer. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #69

Exactly n/t dflprincess Dec 2012 #88

just heaven05 Dec 2012 #93

Once offered and placed on the table, it will always be on the table kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #23

K&R and AMEN MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #26

The Democratic Party Leadership came up with the Idea of using truedelphi Dec 2012 #27

Good one. If it's not chess, then it should be called what it is: savannah43 Dec 2012 #45

I put this post in the category of those always wanting to complain about the President, I'm sick of loyalkydem Dec 2012 #29

That would be a small category leftstreet Dec 2012 #35

You and me both. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2012 #37

Blind sycophants lark Dec 2012 #42

it is the point. and you are missing it pasto76 Dec 2012 #31

You run, you win, you keep anything off the table you like. quaker bill Dec 2012 #32

DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #34

+1,000,000 me b zola Dec 2012 #38

you are definitely a rightwinger and concern troll stupidicus Dec 2012 #39

SO K & R this OP, I'm sick to death of war, what is it good for? Absolutely, NOTHING. mother earth Dec 2012 #40

I'm with you. If the $1.7 trillion that BushCo borrowed from the SS trust fund savannah43 Dec 2012 #41

They've got to work out a budget somehow treestar Dec 2012 #44

Again, you are not addressing the issue now finally being addressed across sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #61

Thank You! So very well said Drew Richards Dec 2012 #89

K&R. Well said. Thank you. idwiyo Dec 2012 #53

Obama put it on the table because it should be on the table. virtualobserver Dec 2012 #55

Wow! A true believer. savannah43 Dec 2012 #60

I have. virtualobserver Dec 2012 #64

Omg, I can't believe I just that here on DU. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #63

It did not create it. virtualobserver Dec 2012 #66

Means testing is one of the worst ideas regarding this program and to do so sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #68

The problem with social security... virtualobserver Dec 2012 #70

There is no problem with SS. I don't know where you are getting your information sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #72

If they raise the cap, I'll be more comfortable.... virtualobserver Dec 2012 #74

Well, Gore wanted to stop the raiding of the SS Fund by those who want to start sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #76

As soon as means testing is adopted, the Third-Wayers and the Republicans will claim that SS is a AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #85

Yep... K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #92

The day they agree to means-testing people out of SS that they paid into hughee99 Dec 2012 #97

Well, one thing's for sure.... ReRe Dec 2012 #56

K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #57

I never believed that a DEMOCRAT could make me want Reagan back. bvar22 Dec 2012 #58

SS "will NOW be On-the-Table automatically in every single future Budget Negotiation." Absolutely. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #86

"Chess is a game where you sacrifice the pawns to protect the royalty." Speck Tater Dec 2012 #77

Good quote, whoever said it first. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #79

This thread? bvar22 Dec 2012 #96

Thank you! Faryn Balyncd Dec 2012 #81

There are those who the put the love of money above petty morality. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #84

K&R Oilwellian Dec 2012 #87

REC! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #100