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MrWowWow

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8. A Variation of this UNCONSTITUTIONAL Nonsense
Mon Aug 25, 2025, 08:24 PM
Aug 2025

transpired during the ronOLD RapeNuns reign of error. Anybody remember that?


Is flag burning protected speech? What to know about Trump's order
The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the right of protesters to burn the American flag. Trump administration officials say they can prosecute flag burning without violating the First Amendment.

President Trump signed an executive order aimed at prosecuting flag burning, despite existing Supreme Court precedent protecting it as free speech.
The Supreme Court's 1989 ruling in Texas v. Johnson affirmed flag burning as protected speech under the First Amendment.
Attorney General Pam Bondi said the administration is looking to prosecute flag burning in a way that does not violate the First Amendment.
Trump's order directs the AG to prioritize enforcing laws against flag burning when connected to other crimes, and it allows for visa revocation or deportation of foreign nationals who burn flags.
Trump has consistently condemned flag burning and called for its criminalization, even suggesting jail time or loss of citizenship.
In a landmark 1989 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that burning the American flag in protest is protected speech under the First Amendment.

Now, the Trump administration aims to test that. President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Aug. 25 directing his administration to prosecute people who burn American flags.

The order describes the flag as the country's "most sacred and cherished symbol" and said its desecration is "uniquely offensive and provocative."

Attorney General Pam Bondi said during a signing ceremony that the administration could prosecute flag burnings "without running afoul of the First Amendment."

Here’s what to know about the order and how the First Amendment applies:

What does the executive order say about flag burning?
The order directed the attorney general to prioritize enforcing laws against flag-burning incidents that "violate applicable, content-neutral laws, while causing harm unrelated to expression, consistent with the First Amendment."

Examples of such acts include violent crimes, hate crimes and property crimes.

It goes on to say that the administration can deny or revoke visas or other immigration benefits as well as pursue deportation "whenever there has been an appropriate determination that foreign nationals have engaged in American Flag-desecration activity under circumstances that permit the exercise of such remedies pursuant to Federal law."The order asserts that such action is constitutional.

"Notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s rulings on First Amendment protections, the Court has never held that American Flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action or that is an action amounting to 'fighting words' is constitutionally protected," it said.

What has Trump said about flag burning?
Trump has long condemned flag burnings.

Following protests after his first presidential election win in 2016, Trump said on social media that those who burn the American flag should face consequences of “perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!”

He made similar statements following protests over the murder of George Floyd in 2020, and criticized demonstrators who burned an American flag while protesting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to Congress in July 2024.

The following month, Trump reiterated that flag burning should be criminalized in a speech at the National Guard Association in Detroit.

“I want to get a law passed,” he said. “Everyone tells me, ‘Oh, sir, it’s very hard.’ You burn an American flag, you go to jail for one year. Gotta do it, we gotta do it.”

“They say, ‘Sir, that’s unconstitutional,’ ” he said. “Well make it constitutional. We’re gonna make it constitution(al).”

He further touted his proposal for a one-year jail sentence for flag burners following immigration raid protests in Los Angeles in June.

Is flag burning currently protected by the First Amendment?
Yes. In Texas v. Johnson, a landmark First Amendment case in 1989, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of a man who burned the flag while protesting then-President Ronald Reagan’s administration.

The decision upheld a Texas Court of Appeals ruling that reversed Gregory Lee Johnson’s conviction under a Texas law banning flag desecration.

The court found that the conviction violated Johnson’s First Amendment rights, which it said are not limited to verbal or written speech. While the ruling said states may seek to prevent “imminent lawless action,” it added that actions such as Johnson’s are and should be a protected right.


“We are tempted to say, in fact, that the flag’s deservedly cherished place in our community will be strengthened, not weakened, by our holding today,” Chief Justice William Brennan wrote in the majority opinion. “Our decision is a reaffirmation of the principles of freedom and inclusiveness that the flag best reflects, and of the conviction that our toleration of criticism such as Johnson’s is a sign and source of our strength.”

://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/25/trump-flag-burning-first-amendment/85814151007

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What if you disgrace the entire United States and all Americans? Irish_Dem Aug 2025 #1
He's slinging more shit than ever to distract from the all the goddamn failures he's accumulating. Klarkashton Aug 2025 #2
So! WmChris Aug 2025 #3
Disgrace...on the back of a pickup... MiHale Aug 2025 #4
Oh like his Chinese Merch has disgraced it Captain Zero Aug 2025 #5
Maybe perhaps you shouldn't use it to line your jacket like our sec of defense. Biophilic Aug 2025 #6
Trump has no authority to make anything a crime. Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #7
Really? hamsterjill Aug 2025 #9
It is frightening - but it is a two step process. Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #10
I think it's a bit naive to believe that Trump still plays by the rules. hamsterjill Aug 2025 #11
And the EO doesn't create any new crimes. onenote Aug 2025 #15
Exactly. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #19
A Variation of this UNCONSTITUTIONAL Nonsense MrWowWow Aug 2025 #8
He has so many new ideas! struggle4progress Aug 2025 #12
no he didnt. he signed a meaningless proclamation. mopinko Aug 2025 #13
Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump wants to prosecute flag burners. The Supreme Court has already said that's illegal LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #14
The felon is bdamomma Aug 2025 #16
GOP's enforcement arm will have fun grabbing people off the streets with this one Torchlight Aug 2025 #17
I will NEVER disgrace the Flag. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2025 #18
He won't. They're his people. Initech Aug 2025 #20
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