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Atreus

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27. NOT historical analysis, but defeat in disguise
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 01:06 PM
Aug 2025

This whole post is wall to wall defeatism disguised as historical analysis. It cherry-picks worst-case examples from nearly a century ago and pretends they map one to one onto America in 2025. They don’t.

First off, the “fascists never removed democratically” line is just false. Pinochet in Chile was ousted by, virtually, a referendum. Marcos in the Philippines lost power through elections and mass protest. Even here, democracy has weathered Nixon, McCarthyism, segregationist regimes, and Bush era overreach; none of which ended in dictatorship. The record isn’t “hopeless inevitability.”

Second, the U.S. isn’t Weimar Germany or 1920s Italy. Those were broken, poor, war-torn nations. America today is the richest country in history with independent courts, powerful state governments, a free press, and a massive civil society. Authoritarianism here faces real opposition, not paper thin institutions ready to collapse.

Third, the secession/UN peacekeeper fantasies in this post are pure LARPing. California isn’t about to call in Canadian troops, and blue states aren’t about to launch their own currency. That’s not a plan, that’s collapse fan fiction.

Finally, this essay’s only real message is despair: it’s over, nothing matters, give up. And that is exactly the mentality authoritarianism feeds on. The truth is the opposite: democracy has survived wave after wave of challenges, and it survives because people organize, vote, resist, and refuse to bow to manufactured hopelessness.

At the end of the day this post isn’t a warning — it’s poison. It convinces people they’re powerless when in reality, authoritarian projects only succeed if people stop fighting back. Nothing is inevitable. Step up, organize, vote, speak out, and keep democracy alive. It’s hard work, yes, but that’s exactly why it works.

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Reposted From Facebook [View all] Wednesdays Aug 2025 OP
In the end, he and his pal Mussolini were gotten under control. I don't think TACOs going to be around as long as ... marble falls Aug 2025 #1
TACO is only a puppet. Amaryllis Aug 2025 #14
This is 100% correct. The hertigage foundation are pulling all the strings now and feeding his ego to satisfy him. BiggaThanLife Aug 2025 #51
That's why I WON'T be celebrating his "home going" when the heartbeat away is TB Vance Montauk6 Aug 2025 #53
Bookmarked! Expertly laid out... FirstLight Aug 2025 #2
Great synopsis, lots to absorb here. LaRaven Aug 2025 #3
You're Hoping The People In The Military modrepub Aug 2025 #23
Hmmmm... LaRaven Aug 2025 #28
I agree with much of what you say, Raven.. slightlv Aug 2025 #32
Bravo! Much more eloquently stated. LaRaven Aug 2025 #35
My dad was stationed in Italy during WWII. slightlv Aug 2025 #40
thank you Skittles Aug 2025 #60
HUH??? Skittles Aug 2025 #39
Not Questioning That None Do modrepub Aug 2025 #59
Contacted my rep and senators asking that they request UN election monitoring EverHopeful Aug 2025 #4
I sincerely wish it would be considered! slightlv Aug 2025 #33
Chris Armitage? littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #5
Correct. summer_in_TX Aug 2025 #58
K&R canetoad Aug 2025 #6
Wow! MUST READ malaise Aug 2025 #7
I don't care about removing The Felon 'democratically' Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #8
And ASAP! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2025 #31
Wow. A must read. Joinfortmill Aug 2025 #9
Darned intellectualz applying data again! bucolic_frolic Aug 2025 #10
We are there. We need to be prepared to Scrivener7 Aug 2025 #11
THIS malaise Aug 2025 #12
They do have the money quakerboy Aug 2025 #48
k and r Cirsium Aug 2025 #13
What an excellent analysis of where we are and where we might be headed. Borogove Aug 2025 #15
Might? nt Wednesdays Aug 2025 #19
Yes, a must-read Wild blueberry Aug 2025 #16
That One Paragraph... Mr.Bee Aug 2025 #17
Hats off to Mr. Armitage... GiqueCee Aug 2025 #18
FWIW, here's the origin of the article. Wednesdays Aug 2025 #20
Thanks! GiqueCee Aug 2025 #37
Time for US to make history. Kid Berwyn Aug 2025 #21
Our "night of broken glass" will be "Kent state" on steroids Augiedog Aug 2025 #22
The Orange Gargoyle... GiqueCee Aug 2025 #38
Kicking this to finish later Maru Kitteh Aug 2025 #24
One thing the post doesn't mention is culture. Self governance, freedom of speech and due process have Fil1957 Aug 2025 #25
He leaves out 1 country that got rid of dictator by election people Aug 2025 #26
NOT historical analysis, but defeat in disguise Atreus Aug 2025 #27
Watch what happens in Chicago the next few weeks. Wednesdays Aug 2025 #30
Zero real-world feasibility Atreus Aug 2025 #34
I think that sometimes EndlessWire Aug 2025 #56
Which is why democrats Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #29
The one thing the author left out is that the vast majority of big high tech resides in the blue states: flashman13 Aug 2025 #36
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The US prevented fascists from talking over in the 30s. Glaisne Aug 2025 #43
Here is his Substack link: OneGrassRoot Aug 2025 #45
Option 2 should begin NOW! Brenda Aug 2025 #46
A Fascist Nation. What Now? red dog 1 Aug 2025 #47
There's a Chris Armitage who has a Substack LearnedHand Aug 2025 #50
"The question is whether we're ready to admit that normal is already gone." OldBaldy1701E Aug 2025 #52
"Yes, the last time states tried to leave it caused a civil war."---- Actually NOT TRUE--- Jack Valentino Aug 2025 #54
Adolf Hitler didn't win democratically, he never ran for elective office FakeNoose Aug 2025 #55
Kick! Heidi Aug 2025 #57
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