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In reply to the discussion: Ralph Nader - "Stay Silent and Stay Powerless Against Trump's Tyranny" [View all]ClimateChangeisReal
(91 posts)On the one hand you say that Nader cost Al Gore Florida and then in the same breath you say Nader didn't cost Al Gore Florida. You can't have it both ways. Your unfamiliarity with Florida politics is very apparent. You make no mention of the Bush brothers all out assault on American democracy in Florida with the many Florida election laws that they broke in order to lower the number of dems eligible to vote in Florida and also not count all of the Florida votes in 2000 because they knew W would loose if a dems voted in large number and if all of the uncounted votes were counted because Al Gore would've won Florida as well as nationally..This is fact.
You also don't seem to understand that the entire theme of Nader's 2000 campaign was that there were no differences between Al Gore and W. Nader ran tv ads stating this in key states like Florida and the repugs paid for these tv ads. Again, you further ignore the reality that had all of the uncounted Florida votes been counted, W would have lost.
Your Nader quotes prove my point. Nader clearly said that their were no differences between Al Gore and W and that it doesn't matter who's in the White House. That couldn't be further from the truth. Supreme Court appointments are just 1 example of why it matters who's in the White House. I watched Nader make these false claims in 2000.
Nader has earned every bit of the wrath that he continues to receive. Again, Nader isn't the progressive that you think he is. Nader's 2000 campaign financial disclosure forms clearly show that he's heavily, personally invested in the big corporations that he claims publicly to hate. Nader is a multi-millionaire. You clearly haven't read Nader's 2000 campaign finance reports, I have. You are again unaware that the repugs paid for Nader's $5 million tv ad campaign. Nader was in Miami the weekend before the election da 2000. Nader fired his own employees who tried to unionize because of how badly Nader was treating them.. Nader knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted W to win and he helped him be able to get close enough in Florida to have the Rehnquist 5 finish the W coup. It's time for you to face this ugly truth.
You also fail to acknowledge the pro repug and W media who went after Al Gore with a vengeance while they let W tell lie after lie. I suggest you browse the Daily Howler archive to get the detailed specifics of the media's assault on Al Gore.
It's the party leadership's complete, unilateral disarmament, rolling over and playing dead and total capitulation in response to W's theft of the 2000 election that's at the root of the party's problems. People don't like this kind of behavior one bit and it's showing in the polling. It's important to note that the current bulwark against Rump is coming from the blue states and not nationally.
One of the other posters to this Nader thread posted a link to a post from someone who voted for Nader in 2000 and who has regretted his Nader vote for 25 years.. You should go back and read that post.