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Ms. Toad

(38,945 posts)
44. He's not entirely wrong on this.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 02:42 PM
Aug 2025

Blind trust in the experts (as some on DU have expressed) would have left my daughter and me dead several times over. And trusting the experts is not how science advances.

Just two examples. For decades people with ulcers were treated with bland diets and ant-acids . . . Two scientists linked h. pylori to ulcers in 1983. It took scientists more than a decade to accept treating ulcers with antibiotics - and even longer before it was accepted that h. pylori was the cause of ulcers. A similar (r)evolution is going on in the disease my daughter has. 1993, oral vancomycin was successfully used to treat PSC (a disease for for which there is no medical treatment). The experts were skeptical for a variety of reasons (it was discovered by a practicing physician - not a researcher, and a pediatrician at that - both of which are treated skeptically in the medical community). By the time my daughter was diagnosed in 2009 there was a published report of collection of a half-dozen children treated with oral vancomycin - 100% response rate, and all but the most advanced achieved complete remission. Around a decade later, a bacteria was found in the liver/bile ducts of people with PSC - a bacteria which was responsive to vancomycin. Most of another decade has passed. Still no medical treatment. The prognosis has increased from 10 years to death or transplant to around 18 years - largely because more people with a companion disease are being tested for it so they are diagnosed earlier, but still no medical treatment. And the experts still have not accepted it as a treatment - not even on an experimental/compassionate use basis. (Some doctors will prescribe it, and it is getting easier to find ones who will - but often it is not covered by insurance.)

So I'm not one to accept trusting the experts as a feature of science. The opinions of experts are important, even persuasive. But in the medical field, science often advances when someone questions the experts and tries something new. Scientists with supportable theories - especially those with evidence (even if it is not the quantity or rigor to become the new accepted theory) are important voices to be listened to.

Now - I don't think that is what RFK Jr. means, since it doesn't match with his actions. He is systematically silencing decades of evidence and research - and the people who understand and can help build policy based on it in favor or people who support Trump's political agenda.

But just as I am critical of him for throwing out the baby with the bathwater - I am also critical of voices on our side who insist we have to trust the experts to the exclusion of considering newly emerging theories.

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Proof of his mental illness. spanone Aug 2025 #1
Yeah .he is not right in the head BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2025 #52
This idiot is a quack conspiracy asshole who does not believe in science or reality LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #2
Sure he does, Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #32
Quack quack................... Lovie777 Aug 2025 #3
He's not even suitably qualified to be a quack! Maru Kitteh Aug 2025 #40
WTF WVlaserguy Aug 2025 #4
The elimination of the expert class edhopper Aug 2025 #5
So, Booby Jr., do we need to go back to putting leeches on people's asses to cure disease? lastlib Aug 2025 #6
Actually BonnieJW Aug 2025 #22
Used in amputations as well. Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #33
And yet we are told to trust TSF who johnnyfins Aug 2025 #7
Go eat a plate of raw oysters, Bobby Blue Owl Aug 2025 #8
And wash it down with some raw milk! ShazzieB Aug 2025 #35
Roadkill Rob says what? eShirl Aug 2025 #9
Ok then. Let's do the following: The Madcap Aug 2025 #10
What the hell does he think science is? A fairy tale? sinkingfeeling Aug 2025 #11
It's one thing to spout lies and disinformation MaineBlueBear Aug 2025 #12
1984... Wounded Bear Aug 2025 #13
And the history you witnessed never happened. allegorical oracle Aug 2025 #29
Could very easily be turned on him MadLinguist Aug 2025 #14
There is no one more skeptical or distrustful Seinan Sensei Aug 2025 #15
Viewpoints Marthe48 Aug 2025 #16
So we need to trust this utterly ignorant, dangerously mentally ill, profoundly stupid, worthless waste of oxygen dalton99a Aug 2025 #17
New Dark Ages bmichaelh Aug 2025 #18
All examples of how he has risen far above his level of competency. allegorical oracle Aug 2025 #30
For Gods sake orangecrush Aug 2025 #19
If it looks like eugenics.. Escape Aug 2025 #20
I don't think he's a eugenicist. ShazzieB Aug 2025 #39
The man is high from smelling his own bullshit. Solly Mack Aug 2025 #21
For me, it's enough that I don't trust RFK Jr. with my health one tiny little bit. MLWR Aug 2025 #23
He's right, you know DFW Aug 2025 #24
He must have it in for the members of the Kennedy Clan... Norbert Aug 2025 #25
He "did his own research" Diraven Aug 2025 #26
Are we back to the witch doctor days? Puppyjive Aug 2025 #27
He has a point gulliver Aug 2025 #28
"do your own research" Klarkashton Aug 2025 #31
The lunatics are running the asylum. ReRe Aug 2025 #34
Fact: Substance Abuse will rot your brain. littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #36
RFK JR is emblematic of MAGA: living in alternative reality with alternative facts andym Aug 2025 #37
that is a deeply disturbed person mike_c Aug 2025 #38
Classic Con Artist Methodology PurgedVoter Aug 2025 #41
CDC doesn't "trust" the experts Johonny Aug 2025 #42
His family will hopefully go on the record again, that he is a danger to society. Passages Aug 2025 #43
He's not entirely wrong on this. Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #44
Yes this is very interesting airplaneman Aug 2025 #45
It took more than a decade after they identified the bacteria in human cases Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #46
Plus - there is disagreement among experts all the time concerning our health womanofthehills Aug 2025 #48
Yup. Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #49
Go take a swim in Shit Creek and STFU Brainworm. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2025 #47
Amen to what you said ❗ Duppers Aug 2025 #50
Brainworm Bob: "Listen to me, only I know what's going on. Trust me, I'm not an expert, I'm not starting a cult muriel_volestrangler Aug 2025 #51
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