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hunter

(40,856 posts)
15. Let's hear it for the coal mine owners too!
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 04:48 PM
Aug 2025

Unfortunately, aside from burning fossil fuels, agriculture is the most environmentally destructive thing humans do.

We ought to do our best to minimize it.

It should be possible to be an ethical and environmentally responsible farmer in the United States but that's not the norm for a lot of reasons.

Frankly, U.S. farmers, miners, ranchers, and other rural voters are pandered to in the United States because their votes have more political clout than urban voters (which is a deep flaw in our Constitution), but even worse, most consumers don't think too much about where their food or biofuels come from.

Cheap factory farm meat and dairy products are not necessities. Fuel ethanol and biodiesel are not necessities. HFCS and sugar soft drinks are not necessities. We could re-wild land that currently supports these agricultural industries and nobody would starve.

I'm most familiar with California's Central Valley. Large portions of that should never have been converted to farmland and really ought to be converted back to something resembling a natural state. Currently the big industrial farmers of that region enjoy too much political power largely because people are conditioned to believe without question that farming is good and farmers can't be bad people.

That question may become moot however as California's population density approaches that of Japan in the coming century. Nobody wants to live near a factory farm dairy operation or chicken producer and the price of a gallon of milk, a pound of hamburger, or a Costco broiled chicken really isn't going to stop further urbanization. Nor will it matter if the cost of water is higher than farmers can pay.

Farming isn't a sacred occupation any more than coal mining is.

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Please stop believing that farmer bashing is ok. [View all] littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 OP
I'm gonna say "fuck you" to anyone who behaves abusively to others, regardless of profession. RockRaven Aug 2025 #1
Grumbling aside, for generations, Americans have been blessed with access to 'cheap food' Attilatheblond Aug 2025 #2
I find this a nuanced reply. And TY for sharing your experiences... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #23
When it comes to farmers I'm on the fuck em side. They are doing just fine Autumn Aug 2025 #3
Autumn, regardless of how they vote, your comment might apply to corporate farmers... hlthe2b Aug 2025 #5
And I'm sure there are a rare amount of people working in ICE that are decent. Autumn Aug 2025 #7
Family farmers are being HURT by ICE. I know you aren't that ill-informed. hlthe2b Aug 2025 #8
If it bothers you to "bash" them by all means don't bash them . Essy solution.nt Autumn Aug 2025 #28
If they bother YOU, then DON'T EAT... Simple as that. hlthe2b Aug 2025 #30
THIS times 1000! Thank you, hlthe2b! Attilatheblond Aug 2025 #37
We are family farmers. n/t murielm99 Aug 2025 #10
Good for you. I am sorry you have to read the stereoypical derisive comments made here... hlthe2b Aug 2025 #21
My husband and I are both activists. murielm99 Aug 2025 #33
As I just posted while i haven't been back since covid I spent decades buying from our Green Market farmers in NYC... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #27
Thank you for farming! electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #44
My part of Kentucky is family farm country. I do not know of any corporate farms yellowdogintexas Aug 2025 #13
It most certainly is hard work. I have tried to educate those who don't realize it, but I'm not sure how hlthe2b Aug 2025 #14
oh I am sure there are, but my particular area is still family farms yellowdogintexas Aug 2025 #16
Not good! driving out family farmers electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #29
What part of Kentucky is that? Mysterian Aug 2025 #24
Most family farmers are Trump supporters synni Aug 2025 #18
Most voting RESIDENTS of rural areas voted for Trump. You have zero statistics or knowledge of how hlthe2b Aug 2025 #20
Not as rare as people think. Family farms are 96% of all farms.... Bengus81 Aug 2025 #35
Wow. I agree! Oopsie Daisy Aug 2025 #42
Thank you, pants. brer cat Aug 2025 #4
MAGA farmers are a subset of both farmers and MAGA. LuvLoogie Aug 2025 #6
I don't recall ever "bashing" farmers my self, and certainly not family farmers... Wounded Bear Aug 2025 #9
I'd still like to see an urban/rural student exchange program like the old foreign exchange student program Attilatheblond Aug 2025 #40
Not a bad idea... nt Wounded Bear Aug 2025 #41
As a life long NYC'r I've heard as you say "the other side" rural folks bashing city dwellers... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #45
Pass ProfessorGAC Aug 2025 #11
Thank you. I stayed out of (one of) the threads yesterday because I'm tired of the indiscriminate abuse. Ms. Toad Aug 2025 #12
To you, Ms. Toad, all I have to say is Buddyzbuddy Aug 2025 #31
Let's hear it for the coal mine owners too! hunter Aug 2025 #15
They chose this disaster with their vote for trump. Blue Ozarks Aug 2025 #17
Umm...yeah moosewhisperer Aug 2025 #19
The traitor peachpit24 Aug 2025 #25
Most of America's cheap food is because of corporate farming JT45242 Aug 2025 #22
"High Rates of Suicide, Depression Linked to Farmers' Use of Pesticides" womanofthehills Aug 2025 #26
Bailouts from lobbying and they keep voting against us. Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #32
96% of the farms in Illinois are family farms. murielm99 Aug 2025 #34
Bashing farmers in general, NO. Bashing farmers who B.See Aug 2025 #36
I remember the original Farm Aid nitpicked Aug 2025 #38
The bashing is for those that supported Trump JI7 Aug 2025 #39
it's not so much "farmer bashing" Skittles Aug 2025 #43
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