Ralph Nader - "Stay Silent and Stay Powerless Against Trump's Tyranny"

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346. Correct

I deny that Nader played a critical role in making the current nightmare possible. You have yet to make the case that he did.

There was the Brooks Brother riot, the hanging chads, the butterfly ballot, and most importantly the bizarre Supreme Court decision that affected the outcome in Florida. Only when we ignore all of that do the votes for Nader seem important.

But even if we were to accept that Nader was the critical factor in Florida, why did the 2000 election "come down to" Florida anyway? You refuse to acknowledge this damning fact: Clinton won Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Ohio, West Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, New Hampshire and Florida in 1996. 4 years later, Gore lost all of them. That is not because of Nader. Had Gore won even one of those states we would not be having this discussion.

But even if we were to accept that Gore's loss was caused by Nader, so what? We have had 25 years to remedy that. It is not Nader's fault that we have failed to prevent and to stop MAGA.

But even if we were to accept the preposterous idea that Nader caused Trump and MAGA, so what? Of what practical value is that?

Let's say for the sake of argument that we all agreed with you that Nader is responsible for the fascist nightmare we are living. How would that change anything?