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140. Yours was an imaginative and speculative post.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:04 AM
Sep 2025

What is the real point you are trying to make? That shooting someone for trying to kick down your front door is justified? It probably would be under such extreme circumstances; Castle Doctrine laws legally allow homeowners to use deadly force to defend their homes.

The recent case of an eleven-year-old boy shot by a homeowner while running away after ringing a doorbell was discussed here at length. A number of people here expressed rather extreme views about that shooting, believing it could be justified. Most thought it was not justified, that it was murder.

Your post seems to be a veiled effort to justify the shooting of this eleven-year-old boy for simply ringing a doorbell and running away, a childish prank at worst, by using an extreme example of someone trying to actually kick down a front door. I'm not the only one who sees the point you're trying to make using an Appeal to Extremes.

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just askin' questions, huh? uncle ray Sep 2025 #1
Do you have more information to share? Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #5
Par for the course. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2025 #91
you're right -- being as afraid as possible is the key point here WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2025 #2
Good Rebl2 Sep 2025 #3
It did. 11 year old kid. RubyRose Sep 2025 #29
That's Rebl2 Sep 2025 #57
I suspect that the police would have noticed a kicked-in door Heidi Sep 2025 #4
I imagine so too... but would it have been part of the report? Would reporters have included it in their stories? Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #6
Yes, we have no choice but to wait and see. Heidi Sep 2025 #10
The asshole JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #115
And Heidi Sep 2025 #116
He was sooooo JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #117
Bless his heart. Heidi Sep 2025 #119
So, kicking the door justifies murder? LearnedHand Sep 2025 #7
Oh please. Did I say that? GMAFB! Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #9
Given these video episodes have nothing to do with the actual murder LearnedHand Sep 2025 #13
I doubt that genuine "understanding" was at the apex of the motivation for that post * Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #21
Justified? Definitely not. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #90
We had one attack in Missouri, 3 years ago. joanbarnes Sep 2025 #8
Yep- just days after getting my new screen door installed, a bunch of youths were LeftinOH Sep 2025 #11
That's reasonable: "I wouldn't have shot anyone." Heidi Sep 2025 #16
Yes, kids in our neighborhood do it. yardwork Sep 2025 #12
Thank you! Heidi Sep 2025 #14
Well, thank YOU! yardwork Sep 2025 #15
True. But a bit more idealistic than realistic. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #17
Childhood pranks are very common in every generation. yardwork Sep 2025 #20
Based on what we do know... some reasonable conclusions can be arrived at. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #22
He didn't "donkey kick" the door indusurb Sep 2025 #25
Gotcha. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #35
I agree senseandsensibility Sep 2025 #37
I think simply being aware of this dockey kick prank can prevent kids from being shot. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #48
You're assuming a lot about this child's parents and upbringing, why? indusurb Sep 2025 #24
No not all kids do these dumb things. Why do you assume that? NoRethugFriends Sep 2025 #26
Because I've raised kids taught kids, been around kids most of my life indusurb Sep 2025 #28
No, not all kids do it! Why would you think that? NoRethugFriends Sep 2025 #31
You and your family never did anything the slightest bit risky? indusurb Sep 2025 #43
I had a great childhood, as did my kids, and have my grandkids NoRethugFriends Sep 2025 #45
I did a lot of dumb things that my parents and grandparents and all their friends didn't witness Iris Sep 2025 #118
You may scoff, but I know my kids and grandkids well enough to have a damn good idea. NoRethugFriends Sep 2025 #149
My guess is many people will assert their experience as quite the opposite of yours. Torchlight Sep 2025 #155
This was no door kick challenge indusurb Sep 2025 #18
Dum things on TikTok. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #19
Yes... that would have been preferable. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #23
What difference would that make? Kaleva Sep 2025 #27
Annoyance vs fear might make a big difference in... Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #36
If one is afraid, then don't go to the door Kaleva Sep 2025 #39
Yes. That's right. And very easy advice to give from the safety of one's keyboard... Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #49
What did the training program on home defense that you took teach you to do? Kaleva Sep 2025 #53
If that sort of thing is someone's "terror of the moment" they really shouldn't own guns. hunter Sep 2025 #96
He could have held them there at gunpoint FullySupportDems Sep 2025 #30
You only point a gun at someone you intend to kill Kaleva Sep 2025 #41
That's not true. You can hold a gun on someone to hold them there Melon Sep 2025 #99
Legally one can do that. Kaleva Sep 2025 #110
I suppose that's true. I think he wanted to shoot FullySupportDems Sep 2025 #107
Guns can give people false sense of empowerment Kaleva Sep 2025 #111
I think that must be true FullySupportDems Sep 2025 #112
A gun is a tool of last resort Kaleva Sep 2025 #120
I agree FullySupportDems Sep 2025 #147
I didn't see any allegations that the "ding dong kid" was doing more than ringing and running. flvegan Sep 2025 #32
It's very disappointing. yardwork Sep 2025 #125
If you kick in my door I will shoot. NightWatcher Sep 2025 #33
People who have been terrorized in their own homes... Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #38
The fact that it is only the kids that can learn a lesson from your viewpoint reveals volumes Ilikepurple Sep 2025 #85
This is not about me. Nice try. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #88
It's not about me, it's about satisfying my personal theories and ideas? Ilikepurple Sep 2025 #101
What are you to do? You are certainly welcome to share your ideas... without making it personal. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #114
Do you have a safe room? Kaleva Sep 2025 #42
Safe room? That's a luxury for the 1%. As far as I'm concerned, my entire home is a "safe room"... Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #51
Where did you get your training from? Kaleva Sep 2025 #54
Why do you care? What difference does it make? That's your answer. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #55
So we've established you have no training Kaleva Sep 2025 #60
This is not about me. And you are free to assume whatever you want, even if it's absurd. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #65
If you won't answer a simple question, all one can do is make assumptions Kaleva Sep 2025 #69
My answer is irrelevant. I know it's "important" to make this about me, but I'm not participating in that game. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #70
You wrote the OP so this is about you. Kaleva Sep 2025 #121
Nonsense. The topic is the topic. I'm not the topic. 🤡🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #122
Your lack of training and knowledge is the topic Kaleva Sep 2025 #123
Nope. Wrong again. Here is the text of my OP. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #126
A dumb fuck with a gun would blame this entirely on the kids Kaleva Sep 2025 #153
I agree JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #86
I stopped training when I fell down the basement stairs and shattered my left shoulder Kaleva Sep 2025 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Sep 2025 #151
The child didn't kick or enter the door. yardwork Sep 2025 #47
Time will tell. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #52
I didn't insinuate anything. yardwork Sep 2025 #58
Of course you didn't insinuate anything. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #61
You did ornotna Sep 2025 #63
It looks like "time" has already told us what happened Lifeafter70 Sep 2025 #67
It's still very early in the investigation. I'll be interested in seeing the final report. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #68
You seem to want to blame everyone else for this Lifeafter70 Sep 2025 #71
It's not about me. I'm just pointing out facts and giving my analysis of the likely tragic series of events. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #72
You are not pointing out facts. Lifeafter70 Sep 2025 #74
Well, it's clear that we've reached an impasse. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #75
Nope Lifeafter70 Sep 2025 #76
The little kid JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #95
Agree. That's just the harsh reality of it. Don't put yourself in that position in the first place. Problem solved. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #92
I don't let anyone I'd care to shoot live in my head. hunter Sep 2025 #102
There are way more important things to be scared about. North Coast Lawyer Sep 2025 #34
either way Skittles Sep 2025 #40
I read early on he was doing a tik tok challenge Melon Sep 2025 #44
Just as a lot of falsehoods were spread about Trayvon Martin, we see that here. yardwork Sep 2025 #46
I'm not saying in any way that any child action justifies a shooting. I read and have heard that they were donkey Melon Sep 2025 #56
As I said, falsehoods are being spread. yardwork Sep 2025 #59
He knew it was pranks. He should have yelled at them or called the cops. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #62
Where is proof JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #87
Exactly. It's printed in news articles same as your " proof". It is all in the news at this point. Melon Sep 2025 #97
There is not ONE news JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #98
He shouldn't have killed the boy. Nobody on this board has stated that. Melon Sep 2025 #100
Nah JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #103
"Almost every article" MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #109
It's unclear to me which he was doing. It seems unlikely that a mere ding-dong-run-away would provoke the homeowner... Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #50
Your assessment of likelihoods is way off. RockRaven Sep 2025 #64
Yes, I know. That's horrible, isn't it? Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #66
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity. Feel Good Inc Sep 2025 #78
Very true. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #82
He's a psycho with lots of guns MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #80
Yes. Definitely not in his right mind. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #81
He's being charged with capital murder JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #89
I don't think we know all of the facts yet on either side. hamsterjill Sep 2025 #73
We probably have enough facts to make a reasoned assumption. Ilikepurple Sep 2025 #83
You aren't going to be able to talk sense into a crazy idiot with a gun. hamsterjill Sep 2025 #84
We have criminal laws as an attempt to control the behavior a crazy idiots with guns. Ilikepurple Sep 2025 #105
I don't think I've told others that they must abandon their parental methods. hamsterjill Sep 2025 #106
Another good thing JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #93
You bring up a good point. hamsterjill Sep 2025 #104
The media LOVES to take a few minor incidences and turn it into a 'trend'. Feel Good Inc Sep 2025 #77
Ahh yes - and the Halloween Candy Poisoning 1983 JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #124
More than "a few" ... this is definitely a trend / fad that' gotten out of hand. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #133
No it's not lmao Feel Good Inc Sep 2025 #146
The homeowner was arrested and charged with murder MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #79
Indeed he did JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #94
+1 MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #108
There is no purpose Lifeafter70 Sep 2025 #113
More like Death Wish challenge. Brainfodder Sep 2025 #127
Let's see JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #130
Your post is the perfect example of an "Appeal to Extremes." sop Sep 2025 #128
Right. Sure it is. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #129
It's the textbook example. sop Sep 2025 #132
That's an imaginative take. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #134
Yours was an imaginative and speculative post. sop Sep 2025 #140
Well... your take is wrong. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #141
So, what is the purpose of your post? sop Sep 2025 #142
That question has been asked and answered, repeatedly, in many different ways. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #143
No one is harassing and bullying you. It's merely an interesting exchange of ideas and viewpoints. sop Sep 2025 #144
Yes... sure... that's all it is. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #145
We saw this when Trayvon Martin was murdered. yardwork Sep 2025 #137
Kicking a door in is asking to be legally shot. This is a stupid game with lethal rewards. marble falls Sep 2025 #131
However, the child who was murdered didn't kick anything. yardwork Sep 2025 #135
No shit, he was ambushed and shot in the back, I think you are conflating two different events. marble falls Sep 2025 #136
The OP is conflating two different events. yardwork Sep 2025 #138
No it's not.... it asked a question and provided context. We have our answer... he did not donkey-kick the door. Oopsie Daisy Sep 2025 #139
What one can legally do isn't always the same as what one should do Kaleva Sep 2025 #152
What an unambiguously delightful exchange Orrex Sep 2025 #148
Did I log into Nextdoor by accident? Or is this DU? Blue_Adept Sep 2025 #154
Tiktok needs to issue permanent bans pinkstarburst Sep 2025 #156
Ringing and running is fairly innocuous behavior. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2025 #157
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