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24. are you sure they 'circumvented U.S. laws?'
Sun Sep 7, 2025, 02:19 PM
Sep 2025

...where's the prosecution for circumventing U.S. laws?

All I see here is the U.S. roughing up workers, who you have left in the abstract in your concerns expressed here.

You're arguing with the wrong person about repressive laws that criminalize work and workers but never do more than fine the employers who can well afford the amounts and impact.

The real issue here for Americans is the ACTUAL economic impact of undocumented migrants or those with restricted visas on local economies and on the U.S economy.

As I bothered to show you above, it it indisputable that undocumented migrants contribute more to the U.S. economy through their WORK and their presence here than they take anything away from Americans.

If you subtract out all of the enforcement activities and the new ICE budget, you save even more.

Isn't THAT what has been argued against undocumented immigrants - putting aside the cowardly portrayals of workers and families as criminal threats - that they are a drain on the economy?

That's an absolute lie used to support what's essentially xenophobic displays of nationalism which almost never directly affect the people hollering about the impact on jobs the most.

A deportation program requires enforcement expenditures at the border and inside the border that increase primary deficits in addition to the lost tax revenue that would have otherwise been paid by unauthorized households subject to deportation.
https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2025/7/28/mass-deportation-of-unauthorized-immigrants-fiscal-and-economic-effects


Where's the evidence that these migrants are taking jobs that would otherwise be filled by Savannah residents, much less Georgians? You're the one arguing that Georgia, with it's 3.4% unemployment, is being denied these jobs.

Prove it, don't just make another one of the specious claims politicians have relied on to demonize these workers as they shift them out of the country. Maybe explain why the deportation of millions of migrants is said to be having a major effect on the reduced economic activity right now?

And let's not just divert from the reality that we don't have a rational or humane immigration enforcement policy right now.

And these careful discussions about what should essentially an administrative challenge instead of a militarized one don't address the brutal, dehumanizing war on immigrants being waged against ALL migrants terrorized by the orders, rhetoric, and actions of this president.

All for what? Is it the economic impact of migrants, or is it just his zeal to remove them from the country? Because it's clear that we're spending more energy and money removing them than we would enjoy by embracing and accommodating them.

One claim by proponents of mass deportations is that they are a boon for American workers. Stephen Miller, Trump’s deputy chief of staff, contends that mass removals would create jobs for Americans and increase their wages. This argument assumes that unauthorized immigrant workers compete with native-born workers for similar jobs.

Several studies, however, conclude the opposite is true — namely, undocumented immigrants often take jobs that U.S. workers do not want.

A noteworthy example is a survey the National Council of Agricultural Employers conducted during the COVID-19 pandemic to find out how many unemployed Americans would take about 100,000 seasonal farm jobs. It found that only 337 people applied. The conclusion was that labor shortages (and food shortages) were likely to persist without seasonal immigrants.

A Brookings study documents the share of unauthorized immigrant workers and U.S.-born workers in the 15 most common occupations among unauthorized immigrants. The principal finding is that unauthorized immigrants take low-paying, dangerous and otherwise less attractive jobs more frequently than both native workers and authorized immigrant workers.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/5116264-trump-immigration-policy-economic-impact/

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The laws of unintended consequences? An inability see beyond his nose? The notion all things happen in a vacuum? marble falls Sep 2025 #1
Drump and his thuglican trash live in a Bizarro World...Down is Up and Right is Left... wcmagumba Sep 2025 #2
He's still mad that they didn't give him his fake votes newdeal2 Sep 2025 #3
The claim is those workers were in the US on visitor/tourist visas, not work visas Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #4
I dont believe it for a second drray23 Sep 2025 #6
Funny thing is... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #11
they're workers, not criminals bigtree Sep 2025 #15
What kind of jobs are going unfilled in GA? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #17
you believe they were 'wrong' bigtree Sep 2025 #18
I don't consider them criminals deserving incarceration Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #20
are you sure they 'circumvented U.S. laws?' bigtree Sep 2025 #24
You're the one making the assertions Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #26
if you're arguing that's what's happening here you're just plain wrong bigtree Sep 2025 #28
You're right - Hyundai should have been able to bring over workers to train the US crew Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #30
From what I've read this am, it does appear they didn't have "worker visas." harumph Sep 2025 #22
And my guess is the Trump administration is counting those 475 jobs taken by Koreans Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #23
$350 billion in promised investments bigtree Sep 2025 #25
we used to value these workers bigtree Sep 2025 #8
I wonder if they were on the visa waiver program Retrograde Sep 2025 #29
Clearly there is more to the story that we don't yet know Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #31
Dunno - I think it was the official way Retrograde Sep 2025 #33
Trump himself is acknowlegding this bigtree Sep 2025 #35
Yep. Donald Trump has declared war on the country over which he presides. tanyev Sep 2025 #5
For his puppeteer Putin. Cha Sep 2025 #27
Retaliation against MTG Blue Full Moon Sep 2025 #7
and Kemp bigtree Sep 2025 #9
so they're getting sent home bigtree Sep 2025 #10
Don't worry! Hyundai is on the case! Heidi Sep 2025 #12
like every business operating under this fascist regime bigtree Sep 2025 #13
I guess there are plenty of foxes to go around. Heidi Sep 2025 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Sep 2025 #16
Kim Jong Il died in 2011. Celerity Sep 2025 #19
trumpy hoping for another love letter. republianmushroom Sep 2025 #21
Jong il is six feet under. Jong un is the current leader of the hermit kingdom. Jacson6 Sep 2025 #32
who cares what his name is? bigtree Sep 2025 #34
For those who think Hyundai broke the rules mainer Sep 2025 #36
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