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LogDog75

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22. Murdering someone over their views is wrong

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:07 PM

Sep 10

If we are to truly live up to the ideals of the U.S. Constitution then we need to support people's right to free speech without violent reaction from others. I doubt I'd agree with anything Charlie Kirk said but I would support his right to say it. Yes, we have Freedom of Speech, within limits, and that means we also have to take responsibility for what we say. If you don't like what someone else said then use your Freedom of Speech to respond to what was said.

Once we start using violence as a means to respond to what we disagree with then we diminish or begin to lose our right to Freedom of Speech. This includes those who advocate using their "Second Amendment right" to stifle the voices of others. One of my favorite authors is Issac Asimov. Asimov wrote The Foundation Novels and one quote sums it up succinctly:

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

Regardless of anyone's view of Charlie Kirk, murdering them is not the solution.

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Since Charlie Kirk was murdered are we supposed to pretend [View all] Bettie Sep 10 OP

Agree with you Bettie. choie Sep 10 #1

You are right Bettie, I agree. katmondoo Sep 11 #78

Let me put it this way malaise Sep 10 #2

You will get scolded if you don't... RockRaven Sep 10 #3

After seeing the things he said I think it would be JI7 Sep 10 #4

No, no and no Justice Brandeis Sep 10 #5

NO ONE here thinks he was a good man Skittles Sep 10 #6

It's pretty gross. writerJT Sep 10 #34

it's disgusting Skittles Sep 10 #43

How about you pull up those quotes and then post the equivalent comments you found here? 58Sunliner Sep 11 #80

Post removed Post removed Sep 11 #87

Sounds serious Torchlight Sep 11 #92

Is that happening? Cirsium Sep 10 #36

the shooter is a gun humping piece of utter fucking SHIT Skittles Sep 10 #42

Unlike right wingers Bettie Sep 10 #45

but that's not in your OP Skittles Sep 10 #47

Not everything I think is in every post Bettie Sep 10 #53

...... Skittles Sep 10 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author graycampervan Sep 10 #62

I don't see anyone who posted on DU supporting his execution. 58Sunliner Sep 11 #76

No one did Just_Vote_Dem Sep 11 #79

Thanks, Skittles TheProle Sep 11 #112

Act III, Scene I of Julius Caesar. Marc Antony's sililoquy. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 10 #7

And to be clear, my reaction to this wasn't happiness Bettie Sep 10 #11

Bettie I will toast a cup of your favorite beverage and dance with you Maru Kitteh Sep 10 #30

And someone will tell us that it is Bettie Sep 10 #46

It's not simply snark though... littlemissmartypants Sep 10 #59

I posted elsewhere Du916 Sep 10 #63

Antony's speech actually ended up praising Caesar... Feel Good Inc Sep 10 #33

Yes, that choice of speeches struck me as pretty odd, too. sl8 Sep 11 #95

Show me the good. returnee Sep 11 #75

I will repeat what I said in other threads. I wish a better world for his kids than he wished for them. tulipsandroses Sep 10 #8

This is very fair IMO. BannonsLiver Sep 10 #18

I agree with this, 100%. ShazzieB Sep 11 #109

Wrong site. The people you refer to are Republicons. You can't find a single one here on DU. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #9

Thank you nt Tribetime Sep 10 #23

Yeah, but there's a shitload of "We Must Be NICE Democrats" scolding going on, here. Paladin Sep 11 #93

George Lincoln Rockwell comes to mind. Nobody Klarkashton Sep 10 #10

You got me to look it up (not hard). Killed by his own party member angry he was kicked out. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #64

Yes it's hard to predict these things. Klarkashton Sep 11 #72

One should only say good of the dead... ZDU Sep 10 #12

I saw someone asking not to be gleeful about it Ponietz Sep 10 #13

Oh hell no! IzzaNuDay Sep 10 #14

He Reaped RobinA Sep 11 #107

He has my thoughts and prayers. nt doc03 Sep 10 #15

I haven't seen that. I've seen people saying grave dancing is crass EdmondDantes_ Sep 10 #16

How a person lives their life and how they die Aussie105 Sep 10 #17

Charlie Kirk was murdered???!! flvegan Sep 10 #19

Even some here are scolding mcar Sep 10 #20

Did I want him murdered? No. MurrayDelph Sep 10 #21

Murdering someone over their views is wrong LogDog75 Sep 10 #22

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" Orrex Sep 10 #25

... and "Patriotism is the first refuge of the scoundrel" -- Ambrose Bierce correcting Johnson or was it Boswell. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #66

AH yes, empathy...Kirk was not a fan of that Bettie Sep 10 #69

It is not known at this time why Kirk was shot. Wiz Imp Sep 10 #39

I've said nothing of the kind. Orrex Sep 10 #70

Check again. I wasn't replying to you. Wiz Imp Sep 10 #71

Ah yes. My mistake. Sorry about that. Orrex Sep 11 #73

I hope that the pearl-clutchers are ready for the world-shaking celebrations when Trump finally dies Orrex Sep 10 #24

Longdog75...We will try to express your concerns when you meet your demise by their hands. 3rdGenAntifa Sep 10 #27

We are all responsible for our actions LogDog75 Sep 11 #116

I mean, he did say how much he loved Jesus johnnyfins Sep 10 #26

No iemanja Sep 10 #28

tots and pairs RainCaster Sep 10 #29

There was a school shooting today too that isn't getting much attention IronLionZion Sep 10 #31

He was a Nazi peice of shit! 3rdGenAntifa Sep 10 #32

Hell yeah! ALL of THIS!!!! live love laugh Sep 10 #44

Exactly The Grand Illuminist Sep 11 #98

You don't have toshed any tears or say anything nce about him. soldierant Sep 10 #35

I love Malcolm Nance 3rdGenAntifa Sep 10 #38

I haven't seen anyone praising the shooter here Bettie Sep 11 #81

Where has anyone praised or Bettie Sep 11 #84

He was a horrible man. Still, that should NEVER happen to ANYONE. Iggo Sep 10 #37

Agreed. 3rdGenAntifa Sep 10 #40

isn't it amazing Skittles Sep 10 #49

Spot on Bettie ornotna Sep 10 #41

I can't stop other people from rehabilitating Charlie Kirk EnergizedLib Sep 10 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sep 10 #50

If this was Trump, would we get the stern finger for our celebrations? miyazaki Sep 10 #51

He taunted Karma and Karma slapped back buzzycrumbhunger Sep 10 #52

Thank you! dflprincess Sep 10 #54

Agree! kellytore Sep 10 #55

Oh, boy. Are the morality police saying I should be sad? herding cats Sep 10 #56

There's no intrinsic law of the universe canetoad Sep 10 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Andy Canuck Sep 10 #60

And when a Democrat is shot the right wing openly samsingh Sep 10 #61

Yep....apparently, we're still stuck on Bettie Sep 10 #65

A friend was taking the moral high ground tonekat Sep 10 #67

We aren't like them We card when children are shot samsingh Sep 11 #85

That line list votes. While the sentiment is good samsingh Sep 11 #83

I didn't know much about him until today Mosby Sep 10 #68

He preached hate speech. Emile Sep 11 #74

We can bifurcate and compartmentalize no_hypocrisy Sep 11 #77

I'm not going to pretend that he was a good man Vogon_Glory Sep 11 #82

Nobody here is. valleyrogue Sep 11 #86

Really? maethe Sep 11 #90

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Sep 11 #101

Feeling Bad For The Kids, Sure ProfessorGAC Sep 11 #114

Dunno. He didn't give a shit if you, me or your kids get shot 3Hotdogs Sep 11 #100

And when Democrats, Progressives or kids are murdered in cold blood it gets a muted "meh" from the GOP. hadEnuf Sep 11 #88

Been on DU a while, I don't recall giving much space to ASSHOLES that die and this turd isn't RUSH reach level? Brainfodder Sep 11 #89

his ilk usually do not go this way. pansypoo53219 Sep 11 #91

Tots and pears, that is all I have to say, tots and pears. lark Sep 11 #94

I condemn both Charlie Kirk and Political Murder Blue Ozarks Sep 11 #96

Which is the greater evil? The Grand Illuminist Sep 11 #99

There's a tariff on tots and pears Marthe48 Sep 11 #97

Gun violence is gun violence..... Historic NY Sep 11 #102

He's a victim of what he Bettie Sep 11 #103

Kirk believed people getting shot and killed is the price we have to pay for 2A. Just collateral damage. Raftergirl Sep 11 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sep 11 #105

If I am sad evilhime Sep 11 #106

Well, that does seem to be the (MAGA) party line. PatrickforB Sep 11 #108

Fuck that noise. Raster Sep 11 #110

Ive seen a lot of the comments on Kirks Murder TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 11 #111

You are certainly welcome to put him on a pedestal and Bettie Sep 11 #113

Nope, disagreed with about everything he ever said. TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 11 #117

I do not condone anyone... oldsoldierfadingfast Sep 11 #115

The racist shite in this country think so ChicagoTeamster Sep 11 #118