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75. The psychopathology is immaterial in this case. Deadly weapons are the salient issue...

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:38 AM

Dec 2012

Not saying that mental illness shouldn't be better addressed in this country -- it should be. But there are multiple variants of numerous strains of behavioral pathology that could cause sustained expressions of profound rage, any of which might result in tragedies like Aurora or Sandy Hook. Society would be best served if the focus is kept squarely on the serious public health issue of guns and gun culture.

Mark Morford's recent piece in the Washington Post, "Death to All Guns," states it best (sorry, no link):
<Snip>"...Perhaps you think Sandy Hook, Aurora, Colorado, Virginia Tech, et al could be better prevented by improved treatment for the mentally ill? Maybe. But a culture of gun fanaticism feeds insanity. Put the other way: insanity loves guns. They are interlinked and inextricable..." <Snip>

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Adam Lanza was crazy. Nancy Lanza was crazy. [View all] _Liann_ Dec 2012 OP

Oh for f**k's sake. Daemonaquila Dec 2012 #1

Survivalists depend on reasoning _Liann_ Dec 2012 #5

That was not a stockpile and is not would a TEOTAWAKI prepper would have ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #16

Perhaps, perhaps not. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #19

No perhaps about it ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #44

Your opinions are decreasing in content value. N/T _Liann_ Dec 2012 #55

That is what the facts do to your spin and screeds ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #79

That is not a huge stockpile by any means. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #101

The Henry rifle is probably the lever-action .44... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #103

That assumes it is an original ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #105

Yes, there are reproductions popular with Civil War reinacters. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #110

Is that what she showed off? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #113

She showed it to her landscaper at least. Possibly others. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #128

The Lee-Enfield is a less valuable gun, but still a collector piece, too REP Dec 2012 #126

Yes, I think they were invented at the end of the 1800s. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #133

I have a number of L-Es, most of which were given to me ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #136

Got it. AFTER you post your manifesto, declaring in no uncertain terms the way it was ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #91

Boo Hoo for you that you need 100% certainty. N/T _Liann_ Dec 2012 #111

From you, I neither need (nor desire) anything. I'm merely noting that you are but one of ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #132

She wasn't a survivalist and she didn't have a stockpile obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #84

At least two of her guns are historical collector pieces REP Dec 2012 #129

cRAzY LIKE USA nt tama Dec 2012 #90

Any public policy suggestions jump out from all that? Loudly Dec 2012 #6

Mt purpose of writing was to solicit policy suggestions _Liann_ Dec 2012 #21

Where does this come from? gvstn Dec 2012 #2

Could you try googling the term paranoid schizophrenic _Liann_ Dec 2012 #18

"Frankly she wasn't an interesting person that others would seek out for company"--source? nt green for victory Dec 2012 #46

A fabrication by the OP. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #102

SHE described herself as survivalist so said "friends" interviewed by press. N/T _Liann_ Dec 2012 #112

No she didn't. You're making that up. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #117

The Real Story Here DallasNE Dec 2012 #48

+10000 Thank you n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #92

OK, but the other part of the story is that Nancy Lanza did something grossly irresponsible OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #123

Thank you for putting it succinctly. /nt gvstn Jan 2013 #150

Connecticut's gun laws aren't very important when it's surrounded by states pnwmom Dec 2012 #3

From what has been published, they were all hers and registered under Conn law ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #17

Could have sentimental value? _Liann_ Dec 2012 #23

Perhaps, but again, its not a prepper or survivalist collection. Not even close ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #29

If the CT law allowed her to buy powerful, high-capacity rifles, then it's not very strict after all pnwmom Dec 2012 #148

Dr. Frist's first name was Liann? CreekDog Dec 2012 #4

Are you victim blaming? DapperDon Dec 2012 #7

The Mom armed the son who carried out the killings _Liann_ Dec 2012 #27

Your last paragraphs worry me a lot LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #51

Adam Lanza wa he world's biggest spoiled brat _Liann_ Dec 2012 #61

This is literally the worst case of internet psychology I have ever read RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #8

+1 proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #87

+1 n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #93

+1000 nt HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #104

+ 2,000 nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #130

Worst case of critcism of an internet post, ever, x1000. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #114

Your point wasn't made, it's being laughed at. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #138

There's been a point made alright but not the one you think n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #141

For Nancy Lanza to keep firearms in a home where such a troubled child lived was Flatulo Dec 2012 #9

Any and all other aspects of this thread aside, BobTheSubgenius Dec 2012 #10

Do we really know what she knew at this point? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #20

I think denial may have played a big role. What parent wants to acknowledge that their Flatulo Dec 2012 #78

I STILL Want to See the Inside-the-Lanza House Photos triplepoint Dec 2012 #11

Above and beyond the curiousity factor, I really think BobTheSubgenius Dec 2012 #13

Me too. I think it might offer insights. N/T _Liann_ Dec 2012 #63

The investigation should be terminated, there is no justification for it to continue legally ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #22

Newtown police will produce a comprehensive report. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #30

Are they even capable of that? Its a podunk department ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #34

I thought the state police and FBI had lead on this crime. Not the Newtown PD. MADem Dec 2012 #57

SOMEBODY is doing a report -- there's the high-profile BIDEN COMMISSION _Liann_ Dec 2012 #64

I don't know if this is true, but I read (somewhere) that he shot ma in the face four times. MADem Dec 2012 #77

The autopsy on Nancy Lanca will be in the final report. NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #115

their 'fortress' house? where did that come from? does this look like a fortress to you? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #24

It looks far too expensive for an unemployed lady to own. N/T _Liann_ Dec 2012 #32

She was getting massive amounts of alimony from the divorce and also the house ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #36

She got the house in the divorce and about $300k a year in alimony. hughee99 Dec 2012 #39

her ex-husband is a VP at GE Financial. She got the house in the divorce settlement & about HiPointDem Dec 2012 #66

Unbelievable. You really need to get out more. n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #94

Oh, right, McMansions are free in Connecticut -- I forgot. NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #116

They are, in a divorce settlement. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #135

Epic, epic fail Catherina Dec 2012 #144

You are asserting facts not in evidence, just in the media ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #12

The outrage of the psych community is the least of my interests. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #35

Intent also has a timeline ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #40

Why are you involved in this thread? _Liann_ Dec 2012 #50

"...psychology professions are failing America" green for victory Dec 2012 #59

I hadn't heard that the toxicology report was released. Got a link? N/T _Liann_ Dec 2012 #65

No kidding. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #83

To dispute your lies and half truths ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #80

Guess my weight and height ye who know me so well. NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #118

Your words, spin, and defensiveness speaks volumes ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #119

Yet you quote the DSM as a basis for your opinion. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #68

The DSM is ONE PLACE of many where you can read the definition. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #120

We got another live one, folks. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #14

Yeah it does look suspicious davidpdx Dec 2012 #49

I was more effective elsewhere to get my favorites elected. Preaching to the choir does do it. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #52

You could be right. tblue Dec 2012 #15

'armed to the teeth'? where do you get that? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #25

It wasn't much of an inventory ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #26

Sen. Bill Frist, is that you? DRoseDARs Dec 2012 #28

I was thinking the same thing... hughee99 Dec 2012 #43

When I was in nursing school learning about varied diseases, I fit many of the symptoms of many of uppityperson Dec 2012 #31

Armchair diagnosis romana Dec 2012 #33

You think you own the event personally? How much will you sell me 5% of your share? _Liann_ Dec 2012 #37

Good God! Milliesmom Dec 2012 #38

He didn't need to buy any guns. His mother had plenty already. LisaL Dec 2012 #42

I heard it was dropped then heard that it was back... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #45

How many mass murderers did you train? _Liann_ Dec 2012 #53

I have trained many more than just my daughters ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #122

Who gives a shit. They both are dead, we are not. jonthebru Dec 2012 #41

Please explain donnasgirl Dec 2012 #47

More details, please _Liann_ Dec 2012 #54

liann donnasgirl Dec 2012 #60

We need to discuss the Constitution. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #67

I will use the shooting in binghamton ny donnasgirl Dec 2012 #72

I read some report by a "forensic psychologist" on a newsite FloridaJudy Dec 2012 #56

Generally severe sociopaths don't love or hate. They don't even feel those emotions. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #70

hahaha! TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #58

Their mental state had nothing to do with, they shouldn't NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #62

Your last sentence nailed it! B Calm Dec 2012 #69

You nailed it... HipChick Dec 2012 #71

1) Repeatedly using 'crazy' in your title is just itching for a fight. renie408 Dec 2012 #73

Being afraid to fight for gun control law enforcement means the crazies win. NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #121

Yo, Newsflash for All of You, from a guy with an actual psychiatric diagnosis, Bipolar Denninmi Dec 2012 #74

You don't have to keep justifying yourself. renie408 Dec 2012 #96

Well, I kind of feel that I do, I shouldn't have to, but I do because of ignorance I see by a few. Denninmi Dec 2012 #99

Honestly, I never thought that far ahead. renie408 Dec 2012 #124

I basically said what he asks for. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #125

The psychopathology is immaterial in this case. Deadly weapons are the salient issue... VOX Dec 2012 #75

Sociopathy is 4%, 1-in-25, one in every 13 houses closest to you. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #131

Do you continuously observe your neighbors for signs of sociopathy? Marengo Dec 2012 #149

I think everyone needs to be careful about jumping to conclusions davidpdx Dec 2012 #76

We need to give this an understanding, not any rest. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #134

From what I've read about them, I think they both had psychiatric disorders but not the one's Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #81

You contradict yourself thoroughly. You claim "Crazy" then detail methodical planning over many days stevenleser Dec 2012 #82

Very NRA-GOP of you to derail the focus elsewhere. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #137

There is nothing to derail. You contradicted yourself and ruined any point you were trying to make. stevenleser Dec 2012 #147

Oh FFS. I miss unrec. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #85

I agree. HappyMe Dec 2012 #89

Sam here. n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #95

Garbage in, garbage out obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #86

I'm going to use this against my gun hording friends, " you've got a serious mental illness" bahrbearian Dec 2012 #88

If you are a judge you can revoke their guns. NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #139

How did he get his bro's ID? happy xenusmas eve Dec 2012 #97

Unknown how he got ID. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #107

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #98

"I'm not a psychiatrist, I just play one on DU." n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #100

Better not quit your day job. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #106

Not nearly enough info to assess the kid's mental state, TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #108

The massacre of children is prima facie. NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #140

Certainly he was severely disturbed. But no one knows his TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #142

I do not believe there is enough evidence to support the assertion that Nancy was a 'prepper'- cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #109

Hey, maybe she used a different rulebook on who qualifes as an end-of-worlder. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #127

Yea, but she didn't murder innocent children. Zax2me Dec 2012 #145

Good grief... Toronto Dec 2012 #146

All assault rifles, of all types, and all magazine clips should be banned BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #151

I believe I chatted with Adam Lanza on the Suicide Forum. boonergang Jan 2013 #152

Is this thread dead? boonergang Jan 2013 #153

Reply boonergang Jan 2013 #154

Shock boonergang Jan 2013 #155

More details? astle13 Oct 2017 #157

Federal background checks useless: mental illness cannot be seen or recognized like physical illness pamelavalemont Jun 2014 #156