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TheMadMonk

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93. And several times more likely to be the victim of the ULTIMATE...

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:05 AM

Dec 2012

...violent crime.

Also what violent crimes committed with a firearm? And with firearm by a family member not a CC holder?

Oh the seatbelt and helmet argument again. How drole.

But in this case you don't leave the spouse and/or kids to look after a drooling, shitting imbecile. They get to share your "sacrifice" will he or nil she. They too are far more likely to die a shooting death than Joe Average.

Your gun, simply by existing in its assigned role, is much more likely to be a killer than saviour.

Fortunately, as far as fortunately goes, it's far, far more likely to be neither.

As far as "sporting" use of firearms is concerned, stack lethality up against ice hockey or horse racing, let the chips fall where they may and let GE and Prudential set premiums accordingly.

But if your primary target (no matter how unlikely or unwanted) is another human being, then if you're not saving more lives than are being spent, you're going backwards and it's time to rethink your strategy.

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Tolerance of "weapon flakes" is coming to an end. [View all] gulliver Dec 2012 OP

"Guns aren't cool" is an excellent message. Hoyt Dec 2012 #1

word. If you have to raise a weapon, you are in some scary shit pasto76 Dec 2012 #26

Yo, Yo, Yo my man! Gunz is wack. Word up! TPaine7 Dec 2012 #41

But but but. "Stand your ground." TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #82

iverglas, is that you?? LAGC Dec 2012 #2

The hyperbole fairy visits many locations. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #4

Obviously, you weren't paying attention there, gunner... RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #5

Women of America, remember the play Lysistrata, no nookie or babies for gunners MightyMopar Dec 2012 #6

Not normal gun owners. gulliver Dec 2012 #9

Or, as I like to say, there's a fine line between a gun nut and a nut with a gun. n/t catzies Dec 2012 #10

Here's the actual quote: lunatica Dec 2012 #54

You forgot Berserker Dec 2012 #3

Maybe it's time for anonymous to ruin gunners credit, that sure would end online gun sales MightyMopar Dec 2012 #8

Advocating felony crimes? Really? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #11

I would be glorious irony if gun dealers and enthusiasts lost the first cyber war MightyMopar Dec 2012 #15

Personally... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #16

Same for those advocating more of same pro-gun bull. Hoyt Dec 2012 #17

I'm willing to bet you'll be PPRd long before us RetroLounge Dec 2012 #119

Way to project, dear. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #18

Way to indulge in bullshit amateur psychoanalysis, "dear." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #68

When I was a kid, teenager we were taught that guns were not cool LeftInTX Dec 2012 #7

I like that Taverner Dec 2012 #12

Onward culture warriors... rrneck Dec 2012 #13

Indeed, Sir: A Cultural Sea-Change Is More Important That Legal Measures Here The Magistrate Dec 2012 #14

Exactly, and perfectly stated. Hoyt Dec 2012 #19

That would be a welcomed change.... daleanime Dec 2012 #21

PERFECT, Magistrate! CTyankee Dec 2012 #95

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #126

Gee, that's awful "inclusive" of you derby378 Dec 2012 #20

So are you for that kind of thing or not? Lordquinton Dec 2012 #25

You appear to be new here derby378 Dec 2012 #32

Appearances can be decieveing Lordquinton Dec 2012 #37

Depends... derby378 Dec 2012 #49

So you are ok with it, as long as it doesn't include you Lordquinton Dec 2012 #51

What I have said, I have said, no more and no less derby378 Dec 2012 #55

What you have said are silly assertions and strawmen Lordquinton Dec 2012 #89

If you own a semi-automatic rifle and/or 30-round magazines you ought to be shunned.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #42

What part of "shall not be infringed" did you misunderstand? derby378 Dec 2012 #48

Lewis and Clark? Really? thucythucy Dec 2012 #56

Well-regulated? I already am... derby378 Dec 2012 #59

Sorry, but that doesn't sound to me like you're nearly thucythucy Dec 2012 #65

When this whole debate started last week... derby378 Dec 2012 #67

Okay, well that explains the Lewis and Clark reference. thucythucy Dec 2012 #73

I believe that was an air rifle that tended to require a ton of maintenance.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #58

At least you have the First Amendment right to say that... derby378 Dec 2012 #60

Looks like you're trying to dance away from the 2nd Amendment issue. Duly noted.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #61

Why slur my Senator? She's been in the line of fire in real life. Hekate Dec 2012 #115

I thought Dan White only targeted Harvey Milk and George Moscone derby378 Dec 2012 #118

She called out to White as he came in; he shot one, passed by her desk, shot the other Hekate Dec 2012 #120

Well, I certainly do not want to move into a neighborhood where these people live. CTyankee Dec 2012 #98

That's too bad, because we're practically everywhere derby378 Dec 2012 #99

I live in liberal New Haven, CT. My neighborhood is full of those awful liberals who CTyankee Dec 2012 #101

Not my problem derby378 Dec 2012 #106

You Of All People, Accusing Someone Of Being Smug. Paladin Dec 2012 #108

"Whatever the New York Times says it is..." derby378 Dec 2012 #114

Oh, dear, yet another recitation of a favorite NRA talking point: you can't comment if you don't CTyankee Dec 2012 #111

"NRA talking point" is an incantation beloved by certain religious types. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #122

It usually translates, in practice, as... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #125

The nice part of New Haven, eh? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #109

Yes, it is nice, thank you very much. Mixed religiously, racially, agewise, and gay/straight. CTyankee Dec 2012 #113

Feels good to hate, doesn't it? n/t krispos42 Dec 2012 #22

What I sure do hate is a seeing kids being blown away from bullet holes in their chests. CTyankee Dec 2012 #100

So do I; you're avoiding the point krispos42 Dec 2012 #104

oh spare me your sermonizing. CTyankee Dec 2012 #105

Why? We've tolearted *yours*... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #110

I don't need to be lectured because I won't tolerate dangerous people living near me... CTyankee Dec 2012 #112

You don't get to pick your neighbors. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #123

This is the stupidest thing ever posted here... southshore Dec 2012 #23

... Quantess Dec 2012 #71

good lord. Are you feeling OK? CTyankee Dec 2012 #102

Wow. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #24

Stop yer whining BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #28

No he is no... It looks like he is talking about all gun owners.. Mec9000 Dec 2012 #31

The OP was including a lot more people than "stockpilers and paranids." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #35

Another delicate flower! MightyMopar Dec 2012 #36

According to the OP, we're also "flakes" n/t flvegan Dec 2012 #53

You forgot the part WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #97

Shunning in the 21st century? How progressive. Go the full nine yard and break out the scarlet G's Kurska Dec 2012 #27

The rightwing is buying those guns to kill and intimidate progressives just like their history MightyMopar Dec 2012 #33

I'm an openly gay man who concealed carries to prevent gash bashings. Kurska Dec 2012 #47

Hear, hear! derby378 Dec 2012 #50

I call Bulls#it MightyMopar Dec 2012 #75

Wow a new low. Never has anyone openly questioned my identity and my sexuality on DU besides you. Kurska Dec 2012 #78

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #81

Disgusting, I've posted for years in the LGBT forum about gay issues Kurska Dec 2012 #83

Or getting hidden works too :3 Kurska Dec 2012 #84

I haven't read through this thread to see what you're talking about. BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #85

It is a personal decision for me, but I feel it is a wise one given my circumstances. Kurska Dec 2012 #86

Given that the first you'll probably know about... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #87

I'm very satisfied with my ability to defend myself with my handgun. Kurska Dec 2012 #88

I guess it would depend on situations wouldn't it? TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #91

And CC permit holders are less likely than the average population to commit a violent crime. Kurska Dec 2012 #92

And several times more likely to be the victim of the ULTIMATE... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #93

You know I'd love to see a source for this information you have. Kurska Dec 2012 #117

To be truthful the core statistic is simply one that's been... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #124

That is fair, but excuse me if I'm skeptical of it then. Kurska Dec 2012 #130

Shunning is a non-violent social change strategy jberryhill Dec 2012 #77

What about the statistic: A gun in the home make you 2.7 time more likely to be killed by a gun. johnnyrocket Dec 2012 #29

Not when you take out gangbangers and such Mec9000 Dec 2012 #30

And children of NRA officials, and nutbags who feel they need to own AR15's and the like. enki23 Dec 2012 #39

Yeah? How's that coming along? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #40

In your dreams. secondvariety Dec 2012 #43

Brilliant! I always taught my kid tblue Dec 2012 #34

K&R Whovian Dec 2012 #38

What... no forced sterilization, exiled to the Gulag... -..__... Dec 2012 #44

Perhaps if people want to be member of our militia, they could be required A Simple Game Dec 2012 #45

Oh. You have a problem with veterans too??? southshore Dec 2012 #46

No I have no problem with veterans. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #52

I believe you'll find theKed Dec 2012 #63

Actually, many places of employment will terminate you for bringing a gun to work. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #64

As has every place I have worked. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #66

Credited - how about "well regulated"? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #69

I have said numerous time, their weapons are so valuable that they A Simple Game Dec 2012 #70

Seems impossible to have a principled negotiation with a position like that... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #57

No. Stockpiling semi-auto rifles, high capacity clips and ammo is what is fanatical. The Midway Rebel Dec 2012 #62

Gun control advocates have made stockpiling semi-auto rifles, magazines and ammo highly profitable. k2qb3 Dec 2012 #116

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guns and stupidity are linked samsingh Dec 2012 #76

Flame bait. L0oniX Dec 2012 #79

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There are virtually no "assault weapons" to be had right now. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #94

Except on DU where the gungeon will always be second firing range. aandegoons Dec 2012 #96

I am offended by the term "Weapon Flakes" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #103

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Law abiding citizens -- and right now, they ARE law-abiding -- deserve what you prescribe? Bake Dec 2012 #121

Getting a tattoo on your forehead saying "fuck you" is legal jberryhill Dec 2012 #128

I get tired of saying that. But it is nonetheless true. Geez, can't these folks own up to their CTyankee Dec 2012 #129

You're going to alienate a LOT of Democrats. Bake Dec 2012 #131

You are afraid. That much is clear. But don't throw baby out with the bath. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #127