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10. Any prohibition regime is going to kill people

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:30 AM

Dec 2012

Prohibiting alcohol and drugs have been fiascos that cost more lives than they intended to save. I sincerely believe prohibiting guns would be the same. You're going to have to increase ATF manpower to significantly larger than the DEA currently is. You're going to have one more reason now to arrest and imprison minorities (this law, like every other law, will be abusively applied in a discriminatory manner). You're going to suddenly empower gunrunners (currently a fairly small and specifically targeted group) and make them the equivalent of the people running pot and cocaine. That means more turf wars on the streets at the retail level. As the price of illegal handguns will skyrocket, these gunrunners will become very rich. It would be the 1990s all over again, but with guns instead of cocaine.

So, no, I don't think it will save lives; I think it will kill a lot of people.

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OK, how about now, gun folks? [View all] Robb Dec 2012 OP

It's never been about insufficient deaths Recursion Dec 2012 #1

You're going to sit there with a straight face and say banning guns won't save a single life? Robb Dec 2012 #4

Any prohibition regime is going to kill people Recursion Dec 2012 #10

False equivalency. Robb Dec 2012 #13

Who sweats and twitches without marijuana? Recursion Dec 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #34

Huh? Are you saying the War on Drugs only causes 10 to 20 deaths? Recursion Dec 2012 #37

Typical reading comprehension FAIL for the Delicate Flowers bongbong Dec 2012 #41

When you write unclearly, Delicate Flower Recursion Dec 2012 #44

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #46

The US and Australia have had the exact same drop in gun deaths since 1996 Recursion Dec 2012 #50

Your name-calling is part of the problem. Bake Dec 2012 #67

Bongbong cares not a wit about that. As long as s/he can call names and accuse anyone that disagrees cleanhippie Dec 2012 #73

well, just lookie here, recursion! CTyankee Dec 2012 #23

And their drug situation is much better than ours, too Recursion Dec 2012 #25

no excuses. We fought wars in two different parts of the world and won. CTyankee Dec 2012 #29

We've also epicly failed at most of our attempts to keep US citizens from getting stuff they want Recursion Dec 2012 #31

from the horse's mouth, so to speak, who worked on the Australian ban CTyankee Dec 2012 #90

We've had the same reduction in gun violence they have over the same period Recursion Dec 2012 #94

Let us look try again with snopes CTyankee Dec 2012 #98

Cool how snopes doesn't address either claim Recursion Dec 2012 #113

the data does speak to your first statement CTyankee Dec 2012 #116

Well, if we could magically make all guns disappear, lives would be saved. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #21

OK lets extend that to just one more legal product. qkvhj Dec 2012 #68

Oh, please, Mr. LaPiere? Is that you? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #80

Get a vaccine for an illness...then it also prevents multitudes from getting sick going forward graham4anything Dec 2012 #126

It's a false dilemma, Robb. slackmaster Dec 2012 #2

No, it won't. Robb Dec 2012 #7

OK, you are firmly in the realm of things that are simply not going to happen, ever slackmaster Dec 2012 #19

"Cold, dead fingers.." 99Forever Dec 2012 #32

Are you advocating for the killing of anyone that would refuse to turn in their gun? cleanhippie Dec 2012 #75

I thought shooting dangerous criminals was OK. Robb Dec 2012 #77

So, you're telling me Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2012 #15

That's not in any way responsive to what I wrote slackmaster Dec 2012 #18

Did you destroy your guns yet? former-republican Dec 2012 #3

They are broken down. Robb Dec 2012 #5

Take them into evidence? former-republican Dec 2012 #9

You want me to film your snuff gun porn for you? Robb Dec 2012 #16

yep , make a statement like the guy that tore up his NRA membership card in a video former-republican Dec 2012 #17

... ellisonz Dec 2012 #65

Why not? Talk is cheap, especially from "antigun" gunowners. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #60

If he has 1911s, Jenoch Dec 2012 #110

I surrendered mine to a cop this week. It was liberating. morningfog Dec 2012 #33

Your fork is responsible for more deaths than my guns. n/t flvegan Dec 2012 #6

The issue isn't your guns. It's all our guns. Robb Dec 2012 #8

Feel free flvegan Dec 2012 #12

That is an excellent point obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #42

Seriously? theKed Dec 2012 #62

Bwahahahaha..good one.. monmouth3 Dec 2012 #11

This obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #40

is mzmolly Dec 2012 #58

How many people can I kill with my fork today? mzmolly Dec 2012 #54

What's absurd flvegan Dec 2012 #69

No. Your comparison between mzmolly Dec 2012 #79

Kid pool thinking, then. flvegan Dec 2012 #83

Another bizarre, mzmolly Dec 2012 #112

Thank the gods it's shallow there. flvegan Dec 2012 #119

Counting your blessings, mzmolly Dec 2012 #120

Nonsense is fun, I guess. flvegan Dec 2012 #121

We ate a delicious chicken yesterday. Bonobo Dec 2012 #97

Who are you flvegan Dec 2012 #101

You are the one that is equating eating a slice of ham with a dead child. Bonobo Dec 2012 #104

Every time you and I have this dance, I lead. flvegan Dec 2012 #105

I don't see you as leading. I state my opinions clearly. Bonobo Dec 2012 #107

No, you don't. flvegan Dec 2012 #109

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Zoeisright Dec 2012 #122

Prove it. n/t flvegan Dec 2012 #133

Forks have other uses. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #124

Thanks for proving your idiocy. flvegan Dec 2012 #134

Now try to make that argument with me. Go on, my friend. yewberry Dec 2012 #125

This response is a shame. flvegan Dec 2012 #131

I don't have a gun but isn't the question whether you think giving up your gun makes you safer? dkf Dec 2012 #20

Yeah, banning guns won't work. SheilaT Dec 2012 #22

funny you should post that. I just posted a little tidbit on Aussie gun control upthread. CTyankee Dec 2012 #24

. former-republican Dec 2012 #26

Do you really think pro-gun propaganda from Australia is going to influence DUers? n/t ellisonz Dec 2012 #66

The snopes link above you totally discredits this video. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #89

No, it doesn't. LAGC Dec 2012 #108

They banned them in Scotland after a mass shooting of kindergarten children in 1996. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #27

How many guns Jenoch Dec 2012 #118

Who the fuck cares? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #123

We've had the same decrease in gun homicides that they have Recursion Dec 2012 #38

The question is not homicides Pab Sungenis Dec 2012 #53

Ah, yes, Australia has had only 1 mass shooting since the buyback Recursion Dec 2012 #56

When first-graders get shot at school and firemen get shot responding to a fire, Chorophyll Dec 2012 #28

+1 laundry_queen Dec 2012 #86

Listen, hot coffee can be very dangerous. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #87

Don't laugh, someone on the FB page for my show argued that stevenleser Dec 2012 #91

wasn't it something about 'prying from cold death hands' ? samsingh Dec 2012 #30

Stupid arguement... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #114

thank you for your service samsingh Dec 2012 #117

They simply don't care about anything but their "right" to possess their weapon(s) of choice. morningfog Dec 2012 #35

Only banning and collecting all the guns will stop any mass shooting. Do you understand that? Logical Dec 2012 #36

Maybe we can't sop "any" but we can stop "most." morningfog Dec 2012 #49

That may be true. n-t Logical Dec 2012 #64

That would stop them theKed Dec 2012 #63

I would give up alcohol first hack89 Dec 2012 #39

You're 45 times more likely to be a gunshot victim Robb Dec 2012 #43

May I see that link hack89 Dec 2012 #48

No they're not. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #45

There have been exactly two murders in 15 years in my town of 40,000 hack89 Dec 2012 #47

Nope. You have that backwards, nationwide (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #51

No, I don't have it backwards. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #70

No, gunshots are projected to pass automobile deaths in 2015 Recursion Dec 2012 #72

Could be mistaken quakerboy Dec 2012 #128

drunk driving is illegal and cops are able to stop cars JI7 Dec 2012 #92

Very few murderers kill as their first crime hack89 Dec 2012 #95

Might as well start now. If we do nothing, there will be another 100 million on streets in a decade. Hoyt Dec 2012 #52

+1. Your post demonstrates prescience beyond that of a goldfish. wtmusic Dec 2012 #135

What are you willing to give up in order to save one life... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #55

What do you mean by "now?" happy xenusmas eve Dec 2012 #57

fast and furious ??? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #81

lol wut RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #106

When its one of their children or loved ones..but I maybe wrong there. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #59

I'm sure the answer is 'infinity'. The 2nd Amendment is more important than human lives, to them Dems to Win Dec 2012 #61

Awesome, a stupid, baiting question with no desire to add to the discussion !!!! OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #71

I'll give mines.. jal777 Dec 2012 #74

2 more firemen are dead samsingh Dec 2012 #76

Small sacrifices are required by the Gun Gods. baldguy Dec 2012 #78

Robb, you are not a dingbat. Arguing with any of the pro gun denizens Whovian Dec 2012 #82

Awww Hell you caught us Berserker Dec 2012 #84

Thanks for making the point. Whovian Dec 2012 #85

Hatred spills over, but it isn't from those for are pro-regulation. morningfog Dec 2012 #93

OK, how about we stop asking THEM permission? CTyankee Dec 2012 #88

No need to ask anyone for permission. hack89 Dec 2012 #96

I hope you are not defending the gerrymandered votes of House republicans on this website. CTyankee Dec 2012 #99

Just pointing out political reality hack89 Dec 2012 #100

As we know, the gerrymandered House can have undue influence over law making. CTyankee Dec 2012 #102

Because I am a Democrat hack89 Dec 2012 #103

do you agree with the Democratic Party 2012 platform statement on guns? CTyankee Dec 2012 #115

Freedom isn't free. Bucky Dec 2012 #111

BE SURE NOT TO CALL THEM ANY NAMES!! Skittles Dec 2012 #127

No, see, if you aren't super polite Robb Dec 2012 #129

Yawn. closeupready Dec 2012 #130

Oh the NRA won't be happy until every last man, woman and child is armed Taverner Dec 2012 #132