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Coldwater

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81. Not enough data to convince me, but

Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:41 PM

Sep 2025

did anyone else notice how unusually quiet trump was after his victory in November, as If he knew he stole the election and needed to keep his mouth shut out of fear of being caught.

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I remain doubting malaise [View all] malaise Sep 2025 OP

Kamala won gab13by13 Sep 2025 #1

In NC, barbtries Sep 2025 #9

This. Many of us here don't, and I'm one too. ms liberty Sep 2025 #19

Two Months Between Election and Inauguration Mr.Bee Sep 2025 #35

Paper ballot hand recounts were necessary. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #110

I kept screaming for recounts on social media and to the dem leadership. 58Sunliner Sep 2025 #156

Yup. I was jumping up and down... yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #158

No one wanted to pay the hundreds of millions they would have cost n/t MichMan Sep 2025 #160

Unfortunate, given the costs to this country right now. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #161

Same in Michigan. Kid Berwyn Sep 2025 #87

Same with Oakland County. llmart Sep 2025 #146

Not Believable. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #109

When 90 percent of districts moved right, it's not a surprise Harris didn't flip any EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #14

This interview did not give enough time angryxyouth Sep 2025 #55

I've gone to their website. It's not even remotely evidence EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #58

They don't claim to have the evidence. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #133

The election truth alliance sure spends a lot of time arguing that they have evidence EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #166

What I would like to see are a bunch of controls intrepidity Sep 2025 #128

Election denialism doesn't serve our cause Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #15

Unless we figure out a way to stop it. I'm sure that is where they are going next Maraya1969 Sep 2025 #31

How can you stop something that isn't happening? Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #67

So sus! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #112

Election fraud denialism hasn't served our cause these past 25 years. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #135

2000 wasn't an election fraud issue Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #147

Well... Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #162

Words have meaning Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #163

The recounts in 2016 showed... Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #164

Jill Stein paid for recounts in a few states MichMan Sep 2025 #168

I agree... Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #177

Typically Recounts aren't done unless the margin is Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #171

I'm sorry you didn't follow the 2016 election. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #178

I followed the election and the aftermath Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #181

Actually what is being shown is the reported totals don't seem to be accurate questionseverything Sep 2025 #173

ding. the election was stolen AllaN01Bear Sep 2025 #29

Yup! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #108

He overperformed nearly everywhere Polybius Sep 2025 #130

Overperformance by an opponent should be expected Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #182

I wake up every morning and the things about which I have certainty continue to diminish.... hlthe2b Sep 2025 #2

Pakman is not credible SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2025 #3

If you go to their website, the "evidence" is non-existent EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #10

Trump administration is manipulating employment and autism statistics bucolic_frolic Sep 2025 #4

manipulating? barbtries Sep 2025 #8

Trump pulling numbers out of his ass is not data manipulation. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #142

Please stop it. They have not manipulated employment data. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #140

He fired the statistician because he didn't like the numbers. So you please open your eyes. /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 2025 #143

Don't even go there. You're way out of your league. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #157

me too Malaise. barbtries Sep 2025 #5

I mean it's not like they didn't steal elections before. gab13by13 Sep 2025 #13

thank you for remembering, especially Ohio barbtries Sep 2025 #17

Right yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #114

And Humphrey would have won had nixon not committed treason. Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #24

I don't know this story, barbtries Sep 2025 #32

Thom Hartmann tells the story about how Nixon went to the Vietnamese and asking them Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #96

Thom Hartmann tells the story. The Nixon people negotiated with the Vietnamese to continue the war Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #98

The party of "family values" is devoid of values. Bluepinky Sep 2025 #30

I think Kamala won. Al Gore won. John Kerry won. Mr.Bee Sep 2025 #37

yep. barbtries Sep 2025 #40

legitimately elected president Mr.Bee Sep 2025 #48

Absolutely -so cataclysmic and catastrophic. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #115

Don't forget Hillary. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #138

Yup! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #113

"Bombshell" my ass. "Clickbait," more like. malthaussen Sep 2025 #6

Comparing 2020 to 2024 is meaningless. gab13by13 Sep 2025 #18

Nope, it's the same ridiculous conspiracy theories, just different mouths moving. tritsofme Sep 2025 #72

Agree yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #116

You're never gonna give this one up, are ya? Polybius Sep 2025 #131

In 2020, there were hand counted paper ballot recounts. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #139

Kamala won. Musk, Peter Theil, Palantir, Eaton, and others were into the vote data. Botany Sep 2025 #7

I heard the tabulators used cellular uplinks IbogaProject Sep 2025 #46

Musk had 265 low earth orbit satellites turned on on October, 30 2024 that gave him and his crews Botany Sep 2025 #61

They even bragged about it. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #119

This! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #118

Absofuckinglutely! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #117

I just wat to say one word: Duh! slightlv Sep 2025 #11

Easily refuted clickbait nonsense Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #12

A forensic audit was never done, gab13by13 Sep 2025 #16

There's no such thing Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #22

You don't listen to the material and you present an article that uses a " theory " that is clearly explained away questionseverything Sep 2025 #84

Blah, blah, blah Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #89

So you are admitting you have not read or listened to any of the material presented questionseverything Sep 2025 #91

I have been exposed to every evidence-free, cockamamie 2024 election-denying conspiracy theory out there Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #94

I heard they stole it using Jewish Space Lasers! 🤣🙄 Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #145

From one member of the reality based community to another... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #148

I am right there with you, malaise. llmart Sep 2025 #20

Agree. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #121

It's hard for me to believe that Trump's army of marching morons totaled 77,000,000 Americans RVN VET71 Sep 2025 #21

I wrote about it in February Mr.Bee Sep 2025 #23

And it was removed, wasn't it? MichMan Sep 2025 #27

Sounds like the jury made a wise decision. tritsofme Sep 2025 #73

That's Right! Mr.Bee Sep 2025 #180

How about AverageOldGuy Sep 2025 #25

2034 Mr.Bee Sep 2025 #38

My concern is there won't be an election in 2026. rubbersole Sep 2025 #51

Me too. Kid Berwyn Sep 2025 #26

Agree karin_sj Sep 2025 #28

The real question we need to be asking ourselves KS Toronado Sep 2025 #33

THIS malaise Sep 2025 #42

Let me help you out Malaise..... KS Toronado Sep 2025 #43

YES. fully agree. I and i feel ALL others here cannot prove 100% if the election WAS or WAS NOT stolen. bluestarone Sep 2025 #60

I have often wondered why someone in our party KS Toronado Sep 2025 #62

What polls are you talking about? EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #65

Prior to the election there were plenty of pools showing us winning KS Toronado Sep 2025 #68

That's not an answer EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #69

Why are you attacking me? KS Toronado Sep 2025 #74

Nothing I have said is even remotely an attack EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #85

human nature RoseTrellis Sep 2025 #179

Because this entire election denial narrative is garbage? tritsofme Sep 2025 #75

Transparency in elections is not nonsense ...Geesh questionseverything Sep 2025 #90

No, but these delusional conspiracy theories sure are. tritsofme Sep 2025 #99

Ms Harris is not a computer scientist or programmer so how could this be on her? questionseverything Sep 2025 #106

All we need to do is handcount the precincts that are suspicious in Pennsylvania questionseverything Sep 2025 #83

Been doing ouside duties here. I've heard of NO surveys being done. bluestarone Sep 2025 #100

Elias is a lawyer not a computer programmer questionseverything Sep 2025 #105

Hasn't he watched all the same videos that claim to prove it was stolen? MichMan Sep 2025 #107

Right. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #126

I do understand that. bluestarone Sep 2025 #137

I wonder if Marc Elias was advised to stay away from any form of yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #124

So you're questioning the integrity of Marc Elias? Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #149

I LOVE Marc Elias. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #152

If you think Marc Elias would listen to the consultants, you're absolutely questioning Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #155

If you know him, and apparently you profess to, yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #159

Now these delusional conspiracy theories make people like Marc Elias complicit in covering up a stolen election? tritsofme Sep 2025 #165

Are you accusing me of asserting that Marc Elias was complicit yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #167

Your post absolutely accuses Elias of being complicit tritsofme Sep 2025 #169

I never accused Marc Elias of being complicit in a cover up. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #170

First we have to identify the problem questionseverything Sep 2025 #103

You don't have to get conspiratorial, they cheated in the usual and obvious ways unblock Sep 2025 #34

All true, in addition why would Musk spend nearly 300 million if they could win by cheating the system anyway. . Doodley Sep 2025 #59

I do have a theory about musk buying those names of people that weren't registered to vote yet questionseverything Sep 2025 #93

And if Musk could cheat to elect Trump, why didn't it work in the Wisconsin SC election? Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #150

We all pretty much agree that repubs cheat every chance they get questionseverything Sep 2025 #86

There's certainly no sense of ethics at work there, to be sure. unblock Sep 2025 #141

I mean. He won enough. For instance (anecdotal) SSJVegeta Sep 2025 #36

Yep I felt the fix was in as soon as Oct 7 happened IbogaProject Sep 2025 #50

Yup SSJVegeta Sep 2025 #53

Every one of these arguments SCantiGOP Sep 2025 #39

Why is david pakman promoting this BS? SSJVegeta Sep 2025 #54

smartelections.us, a nonpartisan organization, is also looking into election fraud via computerized voting systems. Bluepinky Sep 2025 #41

If it is so widespread, why choose a few tiny precincts in a state that Harris won? MichMan Sep 2025 #45

Go to their website and watch the videos about their findings, very informative. Bluepinky Sep 2025 #49

What happens if the hand count in Rockland County NY doesn't pan out to show anything nefarious? MichMan Sep 2025 #102

We won't know until it's completed. Let's see what it shows. Bluepinky Sep 2025 #122

The Rockland County lawsuit is a joke. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #151

Why would you say that? All they want is to hand count the ballots questionseverything Sep 2025 #175

I've written about this many times already. I don't feel like repeating myself Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #183

If there is anyone in the world that would try to steal an election... kentuck Sep 2025 #44

SmartEleactions.us Sept 29, 8 pm ET. Election Verification Orientation. annielion Sep 2025 #47

That's great! SmartElections.us is so important and informative. Bluepinky Sep 2025 #52

De rec. Sorry sis, but on this subject we most definitely part ways. Celerity Sep 2025 #56

Just out of curiosity, do you acknowledge that volkswagons cheating software existed? questionseverything Sep 2025 #125

I live in a swing state, Georgia. We received 12, yes 12, no exaggeration 12 flyers for Trump. None for Harris. Doodley Sep 2025 #57

Both may be true. Bluepinky Sep 2025 #66

Doubt the 2024 POTUS election more over time. PufPuf23 Sep 2025 #63

Saw that. returnee Sep 2025 #64

Another angle: returnee Sep 2025 #70

Yes. I have identified the same possible reverse psy-ops type technique. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #129

This election denial nonsense is actually a malicious attack on the character of Kamala Harris tritsofme Sep 2025 #71

And the elected officials of the swing states MichMan Sep 2025 #101

Exactly. These attacks against Harris and Democrats really are pathetic. tritsofme Sep 2025 #104

It took months and dozens of workers to find this evidence questionseverything Sep 2025 #111

Yet within minutes of Harris' concession people were already pushing unfounded conspiracy theories. tritsofme Sep 2025 #120

How would they catch it? Can they look into the computer guts questionseverything Sep 2025 #123

There was nothing to catch, except in the imagination of the folks so enthralled with these conspiracy theories. tritsofme Sep 2025 #127

I never thought he won fair and square and the muskrat rigged the election in his favor kimbutgar Sep 2025 #76

Sounds like the exact same sort of election denial conspiracy theories Trumpers pushed in 2020. tritsofme Sep 2025 #77

I agree with your comment and for a long time didn't want to think it was real but as time goes on I feel that way. kimbutgar Sep 2025 #78

I'm disappointed and angry with my neighbors for choosing this evil tritsofme Sep 2025 #79

Which voting machine companies are owned by democrats? questionseverything Sep 2025 #95

Not just many, ALL of the swing states except for Georgia had Democratic Governors Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #153

Repubs don't have to control the state, they already control the vote counting and reporting machines questionseverything Sep 2025 #88

To think he won honestly is to defy logic, common sense, and facts. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #80

Ding ding malaise Sep 2025 #92

If this were a criminal investigation it would be a slam dunk. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #97

Always ask the question - who benefits? yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #134

Yep Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #136

Yup! and Yup! yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #132

Not enough data to convince me, but Coldwater Sep 2025 #81

I don't know where you were, but Trump wasn't remotely quiet immediately after the election Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #154

I like mayonnaise, also. Much better than miracle whip. madinmaryland Sep 2025 #82

K&R spanone Sep 2025 #144

We know she actually won Roxi Sep 2025 #172

I hope we know tge truth before I croak malaise Sep 2025 #174

I never thought Trump won. OLDMDDEM Sep 2025 #176

Taking into account repugs physically took election machines to run "forensics" on them GreenWave Sep 2025 #184