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misanthrope

(9,614 posts)
18. Dems need distance from the Clintons
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 07:36 PM
Sep 2025

Older Democrats who lived through the Clinton era don't like hearing this but there are lots of people out there with egalitarian sensibilities and humble roots who view the Clintons as folks who sold out and cashed in. I am not speaking to how deserved that might or might not be, just that it persists. Their association with welfare reform, crime bills, the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich changed how they were viewed by a lot of non-partisans out there.

Once they became common sights among the upper crust and their daughter glided into the privileged ranks of high-finance, they no longer seemed to be people completely in touch with common Americans.

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Some popular policies would turn that around n/t leftstreet Sep 2025 #1
Mamdani is setting the agenda in NYC which needs to be expanded throughout the country MichMan Sep 2025 #61
One thing is for sure, people ain't thrilled about our government. Makes people sit at home or Silent Type Sep 2025 #2
Because our JBTaurus83 Sep 2025 #3
So frustrating! moonscape Sep 2025 #4
If we go back to sounding like Clinton era Democrats... we will win. WarGamer Sep 2025 #5
People want a fighter--not an appeaser crimycarny Sep 2025 #6
That's a tertiary issue... the core issue is that the Party walked away WarGamer Sep 2025 #9
Dems need distance from the Clintons misanthrope Sep 2025 #18
Totally agree. eom BComplex Sep 2025 #58
I don't think messaging is the tertiary issue-it's a lot more complicated than that crimycarny Sep 2025 #19
They feel walked away because qazplm135 Sep 2025 #56
Exactly! crimycarny Sep 2025 #67
Biden wasn't on the ballot in 2024 Progressive dog Sep 2025 #28
Yes--the issue is so much more complicated now crimycarny Sep 2025 #31
That's what I was going to say: republicans own/manage 96% of all media in this country BComplex Sep 2025 #55
If it were only a single propaganda network it wouldn't Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #60
I think much of this is because our real or perceived inaffected leadership. Shumer and Jefferies just doc03 Sep 2025 #7
It will be lower when they cave in again soon. 617Blue Sep 2025 #8
I don't answer calls from numbers I don't recognize, and suspect those that do, have a lot of free time, lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #10
lol BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #11
So that's it? No opinion on how to improve? WarGamer Sep 2025 #12
If I thought this was posted in good faith I would engage. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #13
"Bad Things About Democrats" Kingofalldems Sep 2025 #21
They think Democrats are so stupid it goes right over our heads. betsuni Sep 2025 #22
Some are ForgedCrank Sep 2025 #39
So obvious--every freaking day. Kingofalldems Sep 2025 #20
The passionate defense of Trump's b day parade and the enthusiasm for Trump economic policy are some recent examples. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #23
The FDR/Churchill thing? Gotta link? WarGamer Sep 2025 #41
One of MANY "This message was self-deleted by its author" moments. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #42
Or because I never said it? WarGamer Sep 2025 #43
I guess we'll never know. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #44
And re: those others... WarGamer Sep 2025 #45
LMAO you have blamed NATO for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, a whole "look what you made me do" pro-Putin vibe. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #47
yeah... WarGamer Sep 2025 #49
I'll wait for the translation. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Sep 2025 #51
Oh how funny. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #52
Nice edit. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #53
gotta do what I gotta do. WarGamer Sep 2025 #57
Whoa. So edgy. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #59
And Rittenhouse was innocent. Kingofalldems Sep 2025 #46
Jesus, I must have missed the Rittenhouse comments. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #48
The jury found him not guilty on all counts MichMan Sep 2025 #63
Well shiver me timbers. Kingofalldems Sep 2025 #65
Meanwhile, Democrats continue to overperform in almost every Special Election Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #14
We're in the wilderness. For now. maxsolomon Sep 2025 #15
I looked at the crosstabs Quiet Em Sep 2025 #16
What do you expect? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 2025 #17
"Populist badge": what is populist about Republicans? betsuni Sep 2025 #24
WTF are they supposed to do exactly?? LyfeTimeDem Sep 2025 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Sep 2025 #26
I have no idea where you got that from. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #54
Short of LyfeTimeDem Sep 2025 #27
We've gotta focus on economics, corruption, and maybe the environment. OrlandoDem2 Sep 2025 #29
It's not that complicated: we care about everyone and they don't. Democrats have ceded a lot of ground in... Ol Janx Spirit Sep 2025 #30
Very well said crimycarny Sep 2025 #32
When the majority of your party either signs onto LuvLoogie Sep 2025 #33
This might be because they're "doing all that they can," as we've been assured Orrex Sep 2025 #34
Somewhere along the way Democrats lost the white middle class Buckeyeblue Sep 2025 #35
Democratic Leadership is nearly invisible right now. Happy Hoosier Sep 2025 #36
People are pissed and want a way out of this mess, so they blame everyone. tinrobot Sep 2025 #37
'Since 2008', eh? OldBaldy1701E Sep 2025 #38
2008 is when Q'pac started asking the question in polls WarGamer Sep 2025 #40
The Democrats low poll numbers are a reflection of Ars Longa Sep 2025 #62
It's about the messaging. Nothing more or less. Hellbound Hellhound Sep 2025 #64
Of the many, many polls MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #66
Republicans will always have higher popularity ratings (although they're not that high either) senseandsensibility Sep 2025 #68
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