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thesquanderer

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32. Yes, The norms reference is understatement, but there needs to be something in between.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 11:20 AM
Sep 2025

They can't say laws broken, if a court hasn't (yet) found that to be the case (presumption of innocence until proven guilty). Constitution violated is not a factual statement until/unless the Supreme Court says so, because they are the ultimate arbiter of that. So no reputable news source will headline with these statements which are technically/legally false.

"Alleged" can be a useful qualifier, but it doesn't so well communicate that we do know that we do know that a person did something. IOW, an alleged shooter communicates that there definitely was a shooter, we just don't know for sure that this person did it. But with Trump there is no doubt that he did the thing, the doubt is only about whether it indeed did actually break a law or would be found to be unconstitutional by the court.

It seems like there should be a neat, concise term for this, but I can't think of any.

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Yes! EarthAbides Sep 2025 #1
Finally someone (important) says that! To the average person spooky3 Sep 2025 #2
And to Republicans markodochartaigh Sep 2025 #19
Good question. NNadir Sep 2025 #3
Because it's our Fascist "media" Cha Sep 2025 #4
I'd just drop the "enabling" from your title, Cha. The M$M is fascist to its core. erronis Sep 2025 #7
Right? I used to say that and then Cha Sep 2025 #9
The use of "norms" has always bothered me MadameButterfly Sep 2025 #5
"Breaking norms" sounds like an alternate usage for "innovation." hay rick Sep 2025 #31
Because institutions like the media/press BaronChocula Sep 2025 #6
Maybe all their talk of "killing" and how "norm-ish" it is to do and say such things... BurnDoubt Sep 2025 #11
And yes, how about a thesaurus BaronChocula Sep 2025 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author sop Sep 2025 #8
Yep. kentuck Sep 2025 #10
The media framing gets to the point of being vomit inducing. nt moniss Sep 2025 #12
It has gotten to the point where markodochartaigh Sep 2025 #21
Excellent question! Thank you for asking it! liberalla Sep 2025 #13
Dems need to remind everyone crud Sep 2025 #15
I'll bet their lawyers require it. Kablooie Sep 2025 #16
I would still prefer "alleged crime" or "alleged lawbreaking" to "norms shattered." Nt spooky3 Sep 2025 #28
Yes, The norms reference is understatement, but there needs to be something in between. thesquanderer Sep 2025 #32
And why doesn't the media call Trump out on his bottomless pit of lies? agingdem Sep 2025 #17
Agree malaise Sep 2025 #18
This x 1000. These people are just criminals. travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #20
Very good point. It is a kind of normalization suggesting it is just bad manners, not illegal. Martin68 Sep 2025 #22
Because a bunch of thugs are running our govt, with no oversight or even good Scrotus judgements to stop them mdbl Sep 2025 #23
... Solly Mack Sep 2025 #24
I miss the days of sitting with a cup of coffee and a newspaper. Buddyzbuddy Sep 2025 #25
Kick SheltieLover Sep 2025 #26
For the same reason they will say Trump mispoke or was inaccurate drray23 Sep 2025 #27
The SCOTUS majority has Trump's back. Frasier Balzov Sep 2025 #29
There is nothing "norma"al about what is going on. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #30
With few execptions, our media is awful. CaptainTruth Sep 2025 #33
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