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billh58

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171. Just try to explain that

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:04 PM

Dec 2012

to the NRA "purists" who insist that civilian assault weapons are so much more inferior for killing purposes than military assault weapons. They reason that if a soldier wouldn't use it in combat, it must be safe for a civilian to own. Especially a civilian who purchased it through a "private sale" with absolutely no paperwork attached, and no background check involved.

The other argument is that the "wrong weapon" might be banned, as if the banning of ANY semi-automatic, high capacity gun would be a bad thing. They only want to educate us for our own good, so that we will understand that the NRA is really our ally, and only wants what's best for our children and the rest of society.

The NRA Gungeon dwellers sincerely believe that they can dazzle us with bullshit through the use of semantics and asinine NRA talking points ("more guns will make us safer...&quot . It is time for strict regulation and taxation of these deadly rapid fire toys, and a majority of Americans are now saying that enough is enough. The NRA threats that voters will leave the Democratic Party in droves may well in fact be true -- if you define "droves" as a pitiful 4 million delusional NRA members.

A vast majority of American gun owners are sensible, rational, and caring individuals, and do NOT support the NRA or its policies. The NRA's influence is melting right before our eyes, and the People are tired of being bullied by a small number of gun fetishists hiding behind the 2nd Amendment and talking loud.

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Why don't most people care whether a gun is semi-automatic or automatic? [View all] pnwmom Dec 2012 OP

there is a difference and to argue from a position of ignorance weakens any valid points you make NightWatcher Dec 2012 #1

The OP said the difference was *irrelevant*... gcomeau Dec 2012 #2

The OP is ignorant and angry ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #4

Says a poster... gcomeau Dec 2012 #8

I read the OP prior to posting and stand by my observations ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #13

Right, the fact you have a hard on for guns is established Whovian Dec 2012 #101

When you are standing on the side of mass murderers of 6-7 year olds.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #25

I have things I would like to see done to change things for the better. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #28

What did I say that was factually incorrect? n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #43

These guys think... 99Forever Dec 2012 #78

I missed seeing your comment when I posted below, you are absolutely right. That is what it is stevenleser Dec 2012 #83

That's exactly what it is laundry_queen Dec 2012 #99

I feel many on your side should be totally honest and simply say you wish to ban ... spin Dec 2012 #157

I'm willing to consider the legality of a single shot rifle that is difficult to reload. stevenleser Dec 2012 #167

Really? You're the one pushing to keep the weapon Lanza used legal Recursion Dec 2012 #105

Hogwash. 99Forever Dec 2012 #119

I admit to being angry. What did I say that was factually incorrect? n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #42

Actually nothing I would comment on , your post was your opinion former-republican Dec 2012 #49

So there was nothing factually incorrect intaglio Dec 2012 #129

The OP is absolutely correct. robinlynne Dec 2012 #53

The OP is clearly in command of the facts . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #75

Especially with the addition of bump stocks or rubber bands, making them for all intents and purpose RC Dec 2012 #144

I don't care if they are semi or automatic. Any gun that fires rounds like that roguevalley Dec 2012 #81

A fully auto weapon has not been used Jenoch Dec 2012 #103

No automatic weapon has been used in any mass shooting in the US Recursion Dec 2012 #108

For a "Professor" you are ignorant of the word ignorant intaglio Dec 2012 #127

A high percentage of gun toters/abusers are too. Hoyt Dec 2012 #128

i understood that. samsingh Dec 2012 #34

This s what is amazing nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5

Which countries military does Bushmaster have a contract with to export their AR 15 to? former-republican Dec 2012 #6

Did I say army? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #15

Please link where Bushmasters are being found all over combat zones former-republican Dec 2012 #16

You can call CNN Christianne Ammanpour saw them in Bosnia nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

Okay , what you meant to say was that some AR types have been found in other countries former-republican Dec 2012 #27

They are out there nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #30

Don't forget the foreign manufacturers like the Chinese Norinco and there CQ AR variant pediatricmedic Dec 2012 #68

this sounds like LORD OF WAR riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #66

Led of War is based on one trader nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #69

read in mother jones. riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #74

You have no idea what you are talking about.. Mec9000 Dec 2012 #9

Yeah I don't why they are in the weapons black market. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #11

The ones in Mexico were given to them by the ATF the rest I suspect are M16 clones Mec9000 Dec 2012 #14

They were? No son, they are bought all along the border nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #19

around the world they want full auto not a semi auto... AKs much cheaper in the third world. Mec9000 Dec 2012 #26

Of course they aren't former-republican Dec 2012 #29

Not as expensive as you think nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #35

They are being smuggled and also sold legally to Mexican authorities former-republican Dec 2012 #45

Mexico issues FAL to line troops nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author former-republican Dec 2012 #56

It's the FX-05 former-republican Dec 2012 #58

That the federal police uses M-16 and M-4 yes nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #61

Yup, must be nice to live in this fantasy. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #32

Evidence? intaglio Dec 2012 #131

He's gone to the big billh58 Dec 2012 #148

I still think the Stone Pizza should be put in the avatar frame intaglio Dec 2012 #156

We have no easy way to know if Bushmaster ever received a FMS contract ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #18

Evidence, I'm sure the people who pointed you towards this discussion could provide some n/t intaglio Dec 2012 #130

There is a whole lot of that going on these days. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #12

at least Biden is working on it, and he wrote the previous AWB bill. It had a lot of good points NightWatcher Dec 2012 #20

That's not good enough! We should all be educated enough on gunnery to write legislation ourselves!! bettyellen Dec 2012 #31

You obviously don't know your Glock from a Colt in the ground. :) n/t klook Dec 2012 #77

Yep, and I'm proud of it! bettyellen Dec 2012 #85

Agreed klook Dec 2012 #86

Well, not STFU, but at least listen when those of us who do know guns... Recursion Dec 2012 #111

It sounds like Biden is on the right track. n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #44

Oh - I did not know he wrote the 1994 bill. It did not hold up too well. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #55

I don't think Biden should be claiming Jenoch Dec 2012 #110

I am a (multiple) firearm owner. Have you heard of 'slide bump'? DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #17

Spoken like a true billh58 Dec 2012 #149

. 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #154

If we are to have any hope of ever improving the gun laws in our nation ... spin Dec 2012 #162

I am not NRA DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #170

There is a semantic difference but not an important difference. pnwmom Dec 2012 #33

Both need to be removed form our country yesterday! It does not matter what you call it. robinlynne Dec 2012 #52

continually bizarre BainsBane Dec 2012 #71

Offensive is right. good post. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #100

Really? I'm seeing assistance called "derailing" Recursion Dec 2012 #109

Diane Feinstein has legislation BainsBane Dec 2012 #115

And if you want to assist BainsBane Dec 2012 #116

No, that was what I have in mind. I'd like to see handguns significantly restricted Recursion Dec 2012 #122

Hog wallow. It is the mindset that is attracted to the military knockoffs that is a major problem. RC Dec 2012 #146

Trying to help? billh58 Dec 2012 #155

Who the **** do you think I am and you are? Recursion Dec 2012 #158

No my gunner friend, it's billh58 Dec 2012 #159

I second that. Good post. RC Dec 2012 #145

It used to be Uzi's now it's Bushmasters, nothing much different? xtraxritical Dec 2012 #72

Not true DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #79

+1 nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #102

OK, but if I wanted to end multihoming and my solution was to ban BGP ... Recursion Dec 2012 #112

The bickering over details is how the NRA exhausts opponents of mass murder weapons _Liann_ Dec 2012 #114

A weapon similar to the Bushmaster WAS NOT Jenoch Dec 2012 #136

It's a "distinction without a difference". SharonAnn Dec 2012 #121

There is a difference but you don't really care unless you LOVE this ad... Pholus Dec 2012 #153

Ignorance makes bad preparation for writing laws. For example, those who want to bad the evil jody Dec 2012 #3

And...as I told my congress critter nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7

And, conversely, these non-semi-automatic models would be A-OK. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #10

I didn't say that. I proved the term semi automatic does not mean all firearms with that type action jody Dec 2012 #21

I wasn't contesting your point... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #24

Mea culpa. Sad that anti-gun DUers are just a click from a group that IMO has the finest group of jody Dec 2012 #38

The anti-gun brigade is proposing to limit high capacity magazines and drums. pnwmom Dec 2012 #46

They are proposing more guns, and more guns everywhere, as always. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #47

I have opinions but I want to hear other people's credible ideas. Please post your thoughts at jody Dec 2012 #54

pnwmom you conflate magazines with proposals to prevent another Sandy Hook Tragedy. Too many posts jody Dec 2012 #88

Why isn't it an effective option to ban the possession of high capacity magazines? pnwmom Dec 2012 #91

"Too many posts have repeated ad nauseam the simple fact that hundreds of millions of high capacity jody Dec 2012 #93

If criminals aren't affected by laws, why do we have ANY criminal laws? pnwmom Dec 2012 #96

"why do we have ANY criminal laws?" Excellent question to which I also would like an answer. jody Dec 2012 #97

Simple. I don't need to do a survey. pnwmom Dec 2012 #98

I wonder what all those people are doing in prison, then. Iggo Dec 2012 #142

Ask pnwmom #96 nt jody Dec 2012 #143

Yeah, but you and me both know they ain't all pot smokers. Iggo Dec 2012 #163

Because making the magazines illegal would be as ineffective as making marijuana illegal has been Recursion Dec 2012 #113

You can require guns not to be made with removable magazines. pnwmom Dec 2012 #117

Yes! That you can do Recursion Dec 2012 #120

HA HA- Only the pro-gunners want to or can help with good gun regulations, HA HA bettyellen Dec 2012 #87

Actually they already have helped with gun regulations. That is why we are having this problem now. RC Dec 2012 #147

It took me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this intaglio Dec 2012 #133

The cycling is automatic in both Jenoch Dec 2012 #138

Except prior to the NRA redefinition project intaglio Dec 2012 #141

I'm saying that guns should be highly restricted, not necessarily banned, pnwmom Dec 2012 #36

"pause to reload" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #22

Amy Bishop, the woman who shot other faculty at Alabama U, pnwmom Dec 2012 #37

Just because one person was notably incompetent... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #40

Being psychotic, as many of these shooters are, doesn't tend to enhance competency. pnwmom Dec 2012 #76

True. But that's a small number of an already small number. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #80

The problem is that many hunting rifles are semi-automatic, though carrying only 4 or 5 rounds. eallen Dec 2012 #39

most people don't know the difference between a scud missile and a patriot missile spanone Dec 2012 #41

Patriots dont kill, they are only fired at other missiles. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #84

if I get run over by a car while out walking no one is going to care if it was a Chevy or Ford. likesmountains 52 Dec 2012 #50

Thank-you!!!!!! +1000 robinlynne Dec 2012 #51

Agreed No Distinction - It Took Lanza 10 Minutes To Slaughter 26 People - 2.6 People Per Minute cantbeserious Dec 2012 #57

The difference is that his semi-auto weapon janx Dec 2012 #60

Yes - Maybe - But A Distinction Without Much Merit When Viewed Through The Prism Of Destruction cantbeserious Dec 2012 #62

You could still create a massacre with a conventional semi-automatic weapon. janx Dec 2012 #65

what if the bullets only travel 1200 feet PER SECOND? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #59

As Many Have Pointed Out - The NRA And Gun Apologists Don't Seem To Demonstrate Much Compassion cantbeserious Dec 2012 #63

You're right: there's a lot of fact-vomiting and mansplaining Recursion Dec 2012 #123

My Response - Repeal The 2nd Amendment - Outlaw All Firearms Now! - The Latest, Two Firefighters Dead cantbeserious Dec 2012 #132

And I think doing that would kill a whole lot of people Recursion Dec 2012 #134

I Am Past Half Measures With The Body Count Steadily Rising - I Do Not Support Your Position cantbeserious Dec 2012 #135

Actually semi-automatics may be more deadly under the circumstances we worry about. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #64

Proposed solution. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #67

if it looks like only a military person should be carrying it, it's a machine gun. pansypoo53219 Dec 2012 #70

What makes a weapon look like only a military person should be carrying it? Recursion Dec 2012 #107

Do most people really not care? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #73

I think pro-gun folks are deliberately trying to steer discussions into the weeds with these stevenleser Dec 2012 #82

"how much damage it can do in a short amount of time" What is your specification? nt jody Dec 2012 #89

My 'specification' is a public discourse on the subject. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #90

We've had "public discourse" that produced the AWB. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention jody Dec 2012 #92

No, we havent stevenleser Dec 2012 #94

So we disagree. See link below. The anti-gun community has been trying for decades to jody Dec 2012 #95

see, that's the weeds thing he was talking about. Not taking the bait. bettyellen Dec 2012 #137

No, I think our party has been burned before by people who know squat about guns writing laws Recursion Dec 2012 #104

No, I didnt say that. I dont care about the things you are talking about. Thats what I am saying. stevenleser Dec 2012 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Dec 2012 #106

Exactly. And of course they know more about it treestar Dec 2012 #125

"What I DONT know is the demarcation point between whether a gun is an assault weapon or not. Jenoch Dec 2012 #139

No, it was a dismal failure because it concerned an obscure and irrelevant classification. stevenleser Dec 2012 #140

Thank you. That's a good criterion. It also is a criterion... Recursion Dec 2012 #161

And that should make me unhappy why exactly? stevenleser Dec 2012 #168

Obviously I can't speak for you personally Recursion Dec 2012 #169

Does it look like a hunting rifle, or a military weapon - a military knock-off, such as a Bushmaster RC Dec 2012 #150

OK, but you can't do anything with an "assault weapon" that you can't do with a hunting rifle Recursion Dec 2012 #164

Keep reading. RC Dec 2012 #165

The rubber band is just as ineffective with assault weapons as it is with hunting rifles Recursion Dec 2012 #166

Just try to explain that billh58 Dec 2012 #171

I agree - attempts to sidetrack on that issue should result in treestar Dec 2012 #124

It only took about 15 shots to change the entire world graham4anything Dec 2012 #126

Tell that to the parents of the 20 kids at Sandy Point. RC Dec 2012 #151

my statement is not in disagreement with your thought graham4anything Dec 2012 #172

Would that include handguns? revolvers and other automatics? nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #152

The reason the difference needs to be pointed out... Deep13 Dec 2012 #160