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onenote

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18. Probably not a popular view, but I don't think the 25th was intended for this situation
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 03:47 PM
Oct 2025

Trump's disrespect for established Constitutional norms including the separation of powers, is a very real and serious concern -- one that is most appropriately dealt with either at the ballot box or in an impeachment proceeding (which actually is less of a hurdle to overcome than removing a president via the 25th Amendment.)

IMO, the 25th is intended to address the situation described in the amendment -- a president who is "unable" to discharge the powers and duties of the office. Not a president who discharges those duties badly or even unlawfully. But a president who literally is not able to act -- not able to sign or veto legislation or make appointments vested to his authority by the Constitution etc.

As terrible and even unlawful as some of Trump's actions, and as unhinged as his oratory, his decisions have the support of his cabinet, of a majority of the Congress, and in many instances, the courts. Again, the 25th amendment was not intended as a means of sitting in judgment of a president's decision making, it was intended to address a situation where the president literally cannot make decisions, because for example, he or she is unconscious, in a coma, or otherwise incapacitated.

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Let's make this a national conversation! Torchlight Oct 2025 #1
I've been signing petitions for this for months, soldierant Oct 2025 #36
And now Rep. Maxine Waters: Kingofalldems Oct 2025 #2
He's got my vote in Primary BunkieBandit Oct 2025 #35
The trouble is he's surrounded himself with a fan club Cabinet. They'll be propping him up until he rots before Vinca Oct 2025 #3
Agreed ProfessorGAC Oct 2025 #4
Many of his cabinet members canetoad Oct 2025 #33
Actually they are all criminals stealing our money while in those jobs and in fact Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #52
Which reminds me. Did the FBI get the $50,000 back from Holman? Vinca Oct 2025 #54
They probably took it and gave it to Patel Eliot Rosewater Oct 2025 #55
They are trying to get him past the halfway point of his term InstantGratification Oct 2025 #5
exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2025 #14
Or at least time enough popsdenver Oct 2025 #24
Just what I have been telling friends for a couple of months rurallib Oct 2025 #29
Maybe Theil, but I don't think anybody else likes Vance any more than Trump Bluetus Oct 2025 #31
Vance may stand in for taco...he will never be elected. MAGA doesn't like him, or his Indian wife. PortTack Oct 2025 #37
My thoughts exactly! Stonealone Oct 2025 #44
You think they plan on there being an actual vote? quakerboy Oct 2025 #45
I didn't say Vance could win on his own merits InstantGratification Oct 2025 #49
All the more reason for a major state leader out of the felon's circle to say it to the general public. ancianita Oct 2025 #10
Nonetheless, after this shitshow with the Generals, we have an opportunity Bluetus Oct 2025 #32
Likely most, if not all of them, have very lucritive side scams that rely on their positions. Attilatheblond Oct 2025 #47
"End this disastrous presidency" BaronChocula Oct 2025 #6
Rep. Eric Swalwell: Kingofalldems Oct 2025 #7
Bravo, Gov Pritzker! It's out there now. Cha Oct 2025 #8
IL Gov JB Pritzker is what leadership is about. ancianita Oct 2025 #9
Indeed..proud to have such a great governor! PortTack Oct 2025 #38
I lived there before his time. I miss Chicago. ancianita Oct 2025 #41
But then we get VAnce.... Amaryllis Oct 2025 #11
one monster at a time... nt orleans Oct 2025 #25
Yeah. But he won't shake things up too much unless Peter Thiel gives him a script and marching orders. ancianita Oct 2025 #43
Stevie Miller is keeping trump going so he can actually run the gov't. erronis Oct 2025 #12
Yet another person who doesn't know how that amendment works. MineralMan Oct 2025 #13
All the more reason to put leadership pressure on the VP. It's now out there and not going away. ancianita Oct 2025 #16
Great headline, but sadly this will never come to pass. His cabinet are too loyal (or too stupid) to care. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #15
It won't happen, but when he goes completely bananas tavernier Oct 2025 #17
Probably not a popular view, but I don't think the 25th was intended for this situation onenote Oct 2025 #18
His mental fitness is very much in question -- waiting for full incapacitation may be too late. eppur_se_muova Oct 2025 #22
It's great hyperbole, though leftstreet Oct 2025 #30
I agree. We have to get him out. lees1975 Oct 2025 #19
A lot of us have been saying this since 2016 mdbl Oct 2025 #20
If there was ever an administration screaming for the 25th Amendment, it's this one. Uncle Joe Oct 2025 #21
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Oct 2025 #23
Gov Pritzker is my top choice for 2028 if he wants to be pres SheltieLover Oct 2025 #26
Post removed Post removed Oct 2025 #60
The people of Illinois love him. He is my top choice for 2028 SheltieLover Oct 2025 #61
He's the governor of a Dem state where his constituency fucking loves him. That is the Dem we need running nationwide. SoFlaBro Oct 2025 #62
DURec leftstreet Oct 2025 #27
that'll definitely work!!!! WarGamer Oct 2025 #28
As the New Yorker who now lives in Chicago... nycbos Oct 2025 #34
This is brilliant strategy from Pritzker Deminpenn Oct 2025 #39
NEVER was there a better case for it, or even remotely close !!!! Jack Valentino Oct 2025 #40
Pritzker rocks Lulu KC Oct 2025 #42
Okay. We invoke the 25th to get rid joshdawg Oct 2025 #46
The cheese has slipped off the cracker. Sneederbunk Oct 2025 #48
best governor in the country by far RogueRocket Oct 2025 #50
doesn't vance become president then? samsingh Oct 2025 #51
Funny thing is every Democrat should be calling for that SSJVegeta Oct 2025 #53
Who is going to invoke it? LS0999 Oct 2025 #56
I really wish people would actually read section five of the 25th Amendment. rsdsharp Oct 2025 #57
ding. this, AllaN01Bear Oct 2025 #58
25th Amendment requires more votes than impeachment/removal krawhitham Oct 2025 #59
Doesn't mean it is not called for. Kingofalldems Oct 2025 #63
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