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AZJonnie

(3,697 posts)
40. You continue to put words in my mouth
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 05:16 PM
Oct 2025

I never defended 'neo cons imprisoning children', nor did I ask for videos of naked kids as proof on the news

I'm saying the whole thing is horrible, fascist, and illegal, even without "naked kids ziptied and dragged from their homes into vans". No witness actually said that happened, so I don't want the perception that it was horrible ONLY BECAUSE that happened to children to prevail, because it may well not turn out to be accurate, and then what are we left with, argument-wise? The fact that children were zip-tied to one another and caused to leave their homes seems pretty well established (i.e. said literally by a witness) so I'm advising taking a more cautious approach in the reportage, let's not hang our hats on the headline being literally accurate.

I'm almost always cautious and calculating like this, and I'm sorry if that offends

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What does Trump think about naked children? usonian Oct 2025 #1
Zip tied naked children. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #2
Presumably not in the way you are implying AZJonnie Oct 2025 #14
You are much more optimistic about the ICE staff than I am. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #18
Whatever you say. AZJonnie Oct 2025 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author AZJonnie Oct 2025 #65
I thought u-haul was not going to participate in shit like this anymore. travelingthrulife Oct 2025 #39
The story does not claim prisoners bound for detention were transported in U-Hauls AZJonnie Oct 2025 #41
I'm sure ICE would claim they are not bound by state laws restricting human cargo in rental vans DBoon Oct 2025 #52
One story I read said that were not actually "U-Haul" brand, but "Budget" and had Jack Valentino Oct 2025 #66
I don't know about this story. MineralMan Oct 2025 #3
+1 leftstreet Oct 2025 #4
DU thread 112+ recs: "ICE goons in Trump's Chicago "training ground" drag naked zip-tied children" Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #24
I added another link. Google is your friend. Joinfortmill Oct 2025 #6
So as it stands now, this is based on the word of one witness? AZJonnie Oct 2025 #11
Five different people are named and quoted in the article questionseverything Oct 2025 #15
See my post #17 (nt) AZJonnie Oct 2025 #19
Ebony sweets watson is the woman quoted who bravely gave her name questionseverything Oct 2025 #21
That's a little over the top, friend AZJonnie Oct 2025 #28
Dude, now you're saying children being zip tied and led to detention vans in their underwear would be fine questionseverything Oct 2025 #32
You are distorting my meaning horribly AZJonnie Oct 2025 #34
Then stop defending the neo cons imprisoning children questionseverything Oct 2025 #36
You continue to put words in my mouth AZJonnie Oct 2025 #40
So, " children in their underwear were ziptied and carefully escorted to vans"? questionseverything Oct 2025 #42
I'm not defending jack-squat here, my friend AZJonnie Oct 2025 #55
Actually both you and mm wanted photos and videos "or it didn't happen " questionseverything Oct 2025 #43
Baloney I never said that AZJonnie Oct 2025 #46
I haven't seen proof that the raid was warrentless questionseverything Oct 2025 #45
Multiple news reports from Tuesday: DU thread 112+ recs Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #25
It's the same (raw)story so I'm not sure what your point is AZJonnie Oct 2025 #30
She DID say zip ties. Buck naked means completely unclothed. I don't think there is any dispute on that Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #33
Okay, in the video she mentioned kids zip tied to one another. That's not in her quote from the article. AZJonnie Oct 2025 #38
I think you have bent over backwards to defend illegal, immoral actions questionseverything Oct 2025 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Oct 2025 #64
Waiting for vids? Blues Heron Oct 2025 #7
Well, so far there is no documentation at all. MineralMan Oct 2025 #10
Five different people give their names to be quoted in the article questionseverything Oct 2025 #12
None of the five said they saw naked children zip-tied and dragged from their homes AZJonnie Oct 2025 #17
Video showing the trucks and a witness Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #29
If "nothing happened without video or pictures " questionseverything Oct 2025 #13
He said "it may as well not have happened" AZJonnie Oct 2025 #16
You need to look around a bit more. Plus Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #26
All based on one persons statement. MineralMan Oct 2025 #44
Also - just arresting American women womanofthehills Oct 2025 #54
DU thread on the Greatest page: 112 recs and climbing Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #23
"some of them naked, residents and witnesses said." From a more reputable source. nilram Oct 2025 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Oct 2025 #63
Please keep an eye on what is happening in Memphis, which has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants & everything to SheltieLover Oct 2025 #5
Is this being covered on national news at all? AZJonnie Oct 2025 #8
Building was in disrepair and filled with Venezuelan immigrants and poor black people. safe to violate rights BlueWaveNeverEnd Oct 2025 #9
It's domestic terrorism committed by the wannabe-totalitarian regime Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #22
I live in Chicago. All true. cer7711 Oct 2025 #27
Thanks for the post. Joinfortmill Oct 2025 #31
OMG you actually saw this? leftstreet Oct 2025 #35
Remember when the US would condemn other countries for doing this? Of course you do, it was less than ten months ago. twodogsbarking Oct 2025 #37
Seems like a lifetime ago. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #59
If there were actually Greg_In_SF Oct 2025 #48
WBEZ, "some of them naked, residents and witnesses said" nilram Oct 2025 #51
Why is that weird? Greg_In_SF Oct 2025 #56
No one is " running from " the naked children were zip tied except for you questionseverything Oct 2025 #57
I don't see Greg_In_SF Oct 2025 #58
Yeah, the eyewitnesses were hallucinating. CivicGrief Oct 2025 #53
If you want to believe Greg_In_SF Oct 2025 #60
Chris Hayes did a good segment on all this last night questionseverything Oct 2025 #61
American Kristallnacht . . . . . day after day after day Stinky The Clown Oct 2025 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Oct 2025 #62
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