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Ms. Toad

(38,884 posts)
40. I was 31 when I first refused medical intervention.
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 02:30 PM
Oct 2025

It has not been the only time when I have either refused medical intervention - or demanded it.

I was hospitalized and on heparin (a blood thinner). The doctors were having trouble regulating it - and my PT/INR (a measure of how long it takes for blood to clot) was frequently in the range that posed a high risk for a spontaneous bleed. The doctors repeatedly shut off the IV heparin drip for the period of time they calculated would drop the levels into the therapeutic range. They repeatedly restarted the IV heparin drip without testing the PT/INR - then tested it after an hour. It was always in the range that posed a high risk for a spontaneous bleed, so they disconnected me again. After the second round, I suggested that it had never dropped into the therapeutic range, so by hooking the IV up without testing my PT/INR they were making the problem worse. They ridiculed my suggestion and refused to test. After the third round, I refused to allow them to restart the IV until they could prove it was safe. They reluctantly tested - and - of course - I was right. Punch line to that story is that my primary care doc (back in that era they actually made rounds) yelled at me the next day for being mean to the hospital docs.

Since then, I have fired at least two doctors and one entire team, refused care (repeatedly) from my primary care doc - again being proven confirmatory testing that his concerns were vastly exaggerated, refused care from specialists at least twice, and demanded treatment/tests (sometimes very specific) at least a half dozen times.

I am not an easy patient for any doctor who lacks confidence in themselves - or sees patients as incapable of medical reasoning.

I also have a number of really fantastic doctors whose care I trust implictly (four I can count without any thought). They welcome an involved patient.

But I never go into a non-emergent medical situation without doing my own literature review, so that I am prepared for whatever questions or comments the doctor might make, so that we can have a meaningful conversation on the spot without the need for me to research after the fact then wrestle with whether any concerns that research raises are serious enough to make another appointment. When a doctor occasionally comes up with something I don't expect - it is often a good sign that s/he is one of those really fantastic doctors I value so much - it is inevitably either newer research, or a nuance that was not apparent from publicly available literature.

That approach has saved my life and my daughter's life.

In contrast - the "doctor is god" mentality cost my father-in-law his life, and has almost certainly shortened my brother-in-law's. My father-in-law actually went to a doctor because of blood in his urine (uncommon in a family where males just tough it out). The doctor assured him it was nothing, so he trusted him and didn't return until a year or two later when his urine was always bright red blood. He was diagnosed with stage IV bladder cancer, and died a few months later. My brother-in-law has an aggressive rare type of melanoma. He was on Keytruda after a recurrence, and went to the ER for an unrelated matter. "They administered steroids - which interfered with the Keytruda, and the tumor did not shrink nearly as much as early indications had suggested it would. Even though he had been warned about taking steroids, he had not informed the ER team he was on Keytruda, because "they have all of my records, so they know," and he assumed (without asking) that they had evaluated the situation and determined the risk was warranted.

Be your own advocate. If you find a doctor you can trust implicitly - keep them at all costs. If your doctor treats your concerns as annoying (or threatening to their ego) - drop them as fast as you can.

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A medical story for the forum: [View all] PCIntern Oct 2025 OP
I applaud your resolve and common sense. no_hypocrisy Oct 2025 #1
a good lesson Skittles Oct 2025 #2
excellent advice.... markie Oct 2025 #3
I had something similar LittleGirl Oct 2025 #55
good luck with your surgery markie Oct 2025 #56
One surgeon said I need a new shoulder LittleGirl Oct 2025 #60
Good for you! mgardener Oct 2025 #4
Underscores the value of a second opinion (and where possible, a close friend, colleague or hlthe2b Oct 2025 #5
You know, it's funny... PCIntern Oct 2025 #8
And a lot of times just being able to ask questions. I've found a bit of research ahead of time helps. erronis Oct 2025 #20
Sure. As long as it is clear you aren't using "untrained so-called medical influencers" or "Dr. Google's worst sources" hlthe2b Oct 2025 #22
So, you didn't have to call your local funeral home...... Butterflylady Oct 2025 #6
Very good story. Thanks for sharing. Easterncedar Oct 2025 #7
The importance of THREE MissKat Oct 2025 #9
Terrific advice. PCIntern Oct 2025 #10
Glad your intuition was on target! Fla Dem Oct 2025 #11
Reading your experience with the electrophysiologist makes me thank my lucky stars TexLaProgressive Oct 2025 #12
I agree totally. OldBaldy1701E Oct 2025 #13
Interesting. I have been pushed to see an electrophysiologist - much more frequently recently. erronis Oct 2025 #14
Have you been on anticoagulants all this time? PCIntern Oct 2025 #15
Yup - first coumadin and now eliquis. You mention the Watchman - erronis Oct 2025 #21
I just BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2025 #46
Good for you! And I really hope it solves those issues. erronis Oct 2025 #49
Thank you BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2025 #52
erron popsdenver Oct 2025 #35
Your points are well understood. As almost anything in this society, money/profit will rot it out. erronis Oct 2025 #50
Thank you so much for telling us your story, Ilsa Oct 2025 #16
They all own stock in the company that makes the pacemaker. milestogo Oct 2025 #17
It sounds like my TIA story nuxvomica Oct 2025 #18
Have you considered otchmoson Oct 2025 #19
Can't get involved with that stuff, PCIntern Oct 2025 #30
I understand otchmoson Oct 2025 #36
My brother had a health scare and was stunned watching the vultures gather malaise Oct 2025 #23
Surgeons want to cut. Cardiologists who specialize in pacemakers MineralMan Oct 2025 #24
As the saying goes, NewLarry Oct 2025 #47
The first specialist sounds like the guy who told me I had to get both my knees replaced immediately,. That was 5 sinkingfeeling Oct 2025 #25
Thanks. An experience worth sharing and applying to similar situations. joanbarnes Oct 2025 #26
MD and AMA poozwah Oct 2025 #27
You really have to be your own doctor these days. I'm still pissed off about my experience a week ago Vinca Oct 2025 #28
Question everything. It's what I do too as a family advocate. live love laugh Oct 2025 #29
"You betcha" PCIntern Oct 2025 #31
What do you think of the Korean cholesterol study? womanofthehills Oct 2025 #33
I haven't read that study - Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #41
The Magnesium Miracle supports the findings that cholesterol isn't "bad" live love laugh Oct 2025 #64
They pulled this same shit with my Dad gay texan Oct 2025 #32
Similar story here, for goodnes sakes... Dancingdem Oct 2025 #34
My belief now is that most doctors are mediocre at best. LuckyLib Oct 2025 #37
I didn't save my source for this, and it's been a long time soldierant Oct 2025 #65
My biggest regret in life is the one time I didn't stand up to a doctor. pnwmom Oct 2025 #38
Oohh my gosh Chicagogrl1 Oct 2025 #39
I was 31 when I first refused medical intervention. Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #40
I've refused medical intervention. hunter Oct 2025 #44
So far - my refusals have always been for the better. Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #45
Just now, I declined the opportunity to wear a heart monitor. John1956PA Oct 2025 #42
I believe the hospital pressures these docs PCIntern Oct 2025 #51
I wore a heart monitor for a week and it was way more interesting than a few missed beats. hunter Oct 2025 #43
And "non-profit" hospitals are anything but. erronis Oct 2025 #54
They're drumming up business, minimizing liability, and pathologizing you. bucolic_frolic Oct 2025 #48
Always a good idea to be your own best advocate. hamsterjill Oct 2025 #53
Kickin' with enthusiasm Faux pas Oct 2025 #57
Thanks for sharing. yellow dahlia Oct 2025 #58
BIG kick and recommendation, might I add to get labs done on a regular basis and to 'watch the trend' ... cliffside Oct 2025 #59
Thanks for sharing, would you please link to this post in the health group? There is useful information in your post ... cliffside Oct 2025 #61
They are taking kickbacks from the medical device company iemanja Oct 2025 #62
You handled it expertly! pacalo Oct 2025 #63
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