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W_HAMILTON

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19. There's nothing stopping them from running as an independent progressive.

Thu Oct 9, 2025, 06:06 PM

Oct 2025

But we don't see that.

We see these sorts of progressives running and (sometimes) winning in the bluest of blue areas -- and that's it.

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Centrist Dems Have Already Forgotten About Kamala Harris: Pivoting to the right didn't work in 2024. It won't work now. [View all] Celerity Oct 2025 OP

Will John Fetterman turn Republican before the Centrist Dems can nominate him? Ping Tung Oct 2025 #1

Fetterman is not the person I voted for, gab13by13 Oct 2025 #26

Sigh. Why do they never talk about Ross Perot? leftstreet Oct 2025 #2

That actually isn't true, at least not entirely dsc Oct 2025 #4

Perot got over 19 million votes leftstreet Oct 2025 #6

This has been proven wrong. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #5

That's a BS GOP talking point SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2025 #9

I can find links that say the opposite leftstreet Oct 2025 #10

Really? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2025 #11

The Biden administration was the most progressive in decades... W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #3

The policies of the left *are* popular, supported by a majority of Americans Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #7

Oh, so it falls back to the dastardly DNC rigging everything, just so we can ... lose. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #12

Don't ask me, ask the DNC Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #18

There's nothing stopping them from running as an independent progressive. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #19

I think you're missing the point Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #21

You are the one that blamed their losses on labels -- liberals, Democrats, etc. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #22

Again, you misunderstand my position Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #23

Evolve how much? We are already for most of the ideas progressives want. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #25

I'm not talking about perfectionism Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #28

There aren't many "rogue saboteurs" and it's something that's been addressed. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #39

Look at other posts in this thread for details on how Golden helped sabotage the BBB. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #40

Consultants get paid Bettie Oct 2025 #31

Biden's 2 big infrastructure bills were shredded by a handful of centrists and conservadems (Problem Solvers in the House Celerity Oct 2025 #8

Thank you for providing evidence that the Biden administration was quite progressive. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #16

Some will still not acknowledge why they lost and have been losing Passages Oct 2025 #13

I've seen comments on this site suggesting that Dems move further to the right AStern Oct 2025 #14

Harris was not a "pivot right." WTF!? NT. Happy Hoosier Oct 2025 #15

Those who pivot to the left or are left can't win the primaries Kaleva Oct 2025 #17

There it is! was waiting for this. gab13by13 Oct 2025 #29

That's about money, not policy. CivicGrief Oct 2025 #30

Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party into the Republican Party MakeThemCry Oct 2025 #20

Centrist establishment neoliberal shifted Right stands for nothing BILL CLINTON DESTROYED AMERICA betsuni Oct 2025 #24

It's ridiculous, isn't it? QueerDuck Oct 2025 #27

It's incredibly ridiculous considering the facts of the actual voting Nixie Oct 2025 #34

Not incredibly ridiculous there is some truth to it standingtall Oct 2025 #36

No. Just absolute disinformation. The whole reason the Nixie Oct 2025 #37

As far as losing messages go, it right up there with the idiotic "Defund the Police" message/slogan. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #38

Yes, that was a total loser and one they tried to pin on every Nixie Oct 2025 #41

So what's happenned sense Democrats have been moving to the right standingtall Oct 2025 #42

Very selective and biased. As usual. "centrist shitting on Nixie Oct 2025 #44

Democrats lost the majority in the Senate standingtall Oct 2025 #45

There would have been no Iraq war if Gore was elected, but Nixie Oct 2025 #47

Strawman standingtall Oct 2025 #48

Your screeds are also straw men. Based on reality, those that said Gore was the same as republicans Nixie Oct 2025 #49

Being able to deliver is a prerequisite gulliver Oct 2025 #32

This entire thread is the reason why Democrats lose. You all concentrate on policy too much. Wanderlust988 Oct 2025 #33

Exactly. The Tough Guy persona worked. Nixie Oct 2025 #35

Nah I believe policies matter standingtall Oct 2025 #46

This depends on the issue. Ace Rothstein Oct 2025 #43