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36. Not incredibly ridiculous there is some truth to it

Fri Oct 10, 2025, 02:08 PM

Oct 2025

"results showed almost all voters shifted to the right." Why did all voters shift right? Might have something to do with letting the right wing become more powerful. By losing elections. We should be driving results instead of conforming to them. We've justified running Centrist candidates in certain localities under the pretense they were the only ones that could win and sometimes it worked in the short term, but when that candidate loses which they ultimately always do. We don't get that seat back for 20 years and in the long term Democratic values in those localities erode.

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Centrist Dems Have Already Forgotten About Kamala Harris: Pivoting to the right didn't work in 2024. It won't work now. [View all] Celerity Oct 2025 OP

Will John Fetterman turn Republican before the Centrist Dems can nominate him? Ping Tung Oct 2025 #1

Fetterman is not the person I voted for, gab13by13 Oct 2025 #26

Sigh. Why do they never talk about Ross Perot? leftstreet Oct 2025 #2

That actually isn't true, at least not entirely dsc Oct 2025 #4

Perot got over 19 million votes leftstreet Oct 2025 #6

This has been proven wrong. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #5

That's a BS GOP talking point SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2025 #9

I can find links that say the opposite leftstreet Oct 2025 #10

Really? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2025 #11

The Biden administration was the most progressive in decades... W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #3

The policies of the left *are* popular, supported by a majority of Americans Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #7

Oh, so it falls back to the dastardly DNC rigging everything, just so we can ... lose. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #12

Don't ask me, ask the DNC Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #18

There's nothing stopping them from running as an independent progressive. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #19

I think you're missing the point Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #21

You are the one that blamed their losses on labels -- liberals, Democrats, etc. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #22

Again, you misunderstand my position Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #23

Evolve how much? We are already for most of the ideas progressives want. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #25

I'm not talking about perfectionism Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #28

There aren't many "rogue saboteurs" and it's something that's been addressed. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #39

Look at other posts in this thread for details on how Golden helped sabotage the BBB. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #40

Consultants get paid Bettie Oct 2025 #31

Biden's 2 big infrastructure bills were shredded by a handful of centrists and conservadems (Problem Solvers in the House Celerity Oct 2025 #8

Thank you for providing evidence that the Biden administration was quite progressive. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #16

Some will still not acknowledge why they lost and have been losing Passages Oct 2025 #13

I've seen comments on this site suggesting that Dems move further to the right AStern Oct 2025 #14

Harris was not a "pivot right." WTF!? NT. Happy Hoosier Oct 2025 #15

Those who pivot to the left or are left can't win the primaries Kaleva Oct 2025 #17

There it is! was waiting for this. gab13by13 Oct 2025 #29

That's about money, not policy. CivicGrief Oct 2025 #30

Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party into the Republican Party MakeThemCry Oct 2025 #20

Centrist establishment neoliberal shifted Right stands for nothing BILL CLINTON DESTROYED AMERICA betsuni Oct 2025 #24

It's ridiculous, isn't it? QueerDuck Oct 2025 #27

It's incredibly ridiculous considering the facts of the actual voting Nixie Oct 2025 #34

Not incredibly ridiculous there is some truth to it standingtall Oct 2025 #36

No. Just absolute disinformation. The whole reason the Nixie Oct 2025 #37

As far as losing messages go, it right up there with the idiotic "Defund the Police" message/slogan. QueerDuck Oct 2025 #38

Yes, that was a total loser and one they tried to pin on every Nixie Oct 2025 #41

So what's happenned sense Democrats have been moving to the right standingtall Oct 2025 #42

Very selective and biased. As usual. "centrist shitting on Nixie Oct 2025 #44

Democrats lost the majority in the Senate standingtall Oct 2025 #45

There would have been no Iraq war if Gore was elected, but Nixie Oct 2025 #47

Strawman standingtall Oct 2025 #48

Your screeds are also straw men. Based on reality, those that said Gore was the same as republicans Nixie Oct 2025 #49

Being able to deliver is a prerequisite gulliver Oct 2025 #32

This entire thread is the reason why Democrats lose. You all concentrate on policy too much. Wanderlust988 Oct 2025 #33

Exactly. The Tough Guy persona worked. Nixie Oct 2025 #35

Nah I believe policies matter standingtall Oct 2025 #46

This depends on the issue. Ace Rothstein Oct 2025 #43