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meadowlander

(5,163 posts)
39. Autism is within the range of normal human variation and has always been with us.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 01:46 PM
Oct 2025

As you note, many famous people - particularly scientists, would clearly have been diagnosed as autistic if they were born today. And many autistic people have made contributions to civilisation that went unnoticed because, in general, autistic people are loathe to take credit for things on the basis that any attention is bad attention. But I'm sure many ancient artists, weavers, food science and culinary experimenters, astronomers, priests, etc. would have been autistic.

We can also see evidence that autism has always been with us with the stories of changeling children, child demonic possession, hermits and witches.

Having said that, I do think autism is currently having a moment and that many of the challenges of the next stages of technology (computer science, AI, climate engineering, biomedical research, etc.) will benefit massively from contributions from autistic people as we rely more and more or our intellects for our survival. And because computers have largely been invented by autistic people (see Charles Babbage and Alan Turing both of whom should probably be on your list) in some ways they work in a way/speak a language that autistic people have an advantage in understanding.

I agree that selecting autism out of the gene pool or otherwise "curing" it would be a self-defeating tragedy. But I also don't see a future where everyone is autistic. Our resilience comes from our variation.

For all the people eager to jump up and say "autistic people are assholes too!" Yes, obviously a certain percentage of people in every group is composed of assholes. But I think you also need to look at that in the context of the extreme prejudice and bullying that autistic people face (and the more insidious but equally damaging social pressure to not be or at least not appear to be autistic) which leave many of them feeling embittering and antisocial.

Who knows where we would be at now if Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg had been able to get laid in high school because being really smart and into computers was considered an attractive trait instead of something to pick on people for. Maybe they would still be awful, and maybe not. I say we give that kind of world a try though, test the evidence, and find out.

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I didn't know that about patterns. murielm99 Oct 2025 #1
To offer a counter example thomski64 Oct 2025 #2
Yes, he came to mind. It may not always be positive but there are plenty of traditionally thinking people who are Quixote1818 Oct 2025 #3
Trump is an "NT" paleotn Oct 2025 #6
Eloon's brain is mush Alice Kramden Oct 2025 #28
I believe it's probably a genetic mutation (in the scientifically neutral sense) that exhibits naturally AZJonnie Oct 2025 #4
Agreed. That's the thing about genes. They're not static. paleotn Oct 2025 #9
Yup, and there's not just mutations, there are also gene expressions AZJonnie Oct 2025 #12
I like your train of thought. erronis Oct 2025 #32
Good ol epigenetics nt mr715 Oct 2025 #42
Humanity did not start with humans. cachukis Oct 2025 #16
Very much true!!! AZJonnie Oct 2025 #22
The thinkers know. cachukis Oct 2025 #24
My Son The Astronomer is on the spectrum. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #5
Thanks for sharing, my grandson has Tree Lady Oct 2025 #36
That's not how evolution works SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #7
You're right, classical evolutionary theory does focus on traits that improve individual reproductive success. However Quixote1818 Oct 2025 #10
They implied there was a sudden increase in autism due to technology SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #20
It has showed up. Regardless. cachukis Oct 2025 #17
But not as an adaption to extremely new technologies SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #21
Too early to judge in my mind. cachukis Oct 2025 #23
Either an individual benefit trait or a community survival component. haele Oct 2025 #34
Reed College, Portland OR; PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #38
No. People who are on the spectrum are still Homo sapiens. sakabatou Oct 2025 #8
You sure about that? paleotn Oct 2025 #11
"Yet we could still interbreed" sakabatou Oct 2025 #14
Severe autism is pretty awful. milestogo Oct 2025 #13
Mild to Moderate is no picnic either. Rhiagel Oct 2025 #33
Civilization is where it is now because of people who "cover their ears and stim". meadowlander Oct 2025 #40
Oh, hell no. hunter Oct 2025 #15
This is hyperbolic and unhelpful. meadowlander Oct 2025 #41
Autism is not some delightful "quirk." Often it's painful. hunter Oct 2025 #45
Astrid. French with subtitles. Great study of the subject. cachukis Oct 2025 #18
I believe it is. Faux pas Oct 2025 #19
It's not ESP, it's pattern recognition... hunter Oct 2025 #27
Actually, it is ESP. Check out The Telepathy Tapes for more info. TheRickles Oct 2025 #29
I've had paranormal experiences. I've had telepathic experiences. hunter Oct 2025 #48
Both can be true. Sometimes it's this, and sometimes it's that. TheRickles Oct 2025 #49
There are some genuinely terrible autistic people biocube Oct 2025 #25
We seem to be evolving towards extinction Bmoboy Oct 2025 #26
❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #30
Thank you Wild blueberry Oct 2025 #31
I'm no expert, but... Morbius Oct 2025 #35
Stop the testing! JoseBalow Oct 2025 #47
ASD has a bimodal IQ distribution Mosby Oct 2025 #37
ASD can be comorbid with intellectual disability, epilepsy, etc. meadowlander Oct 2025 #43
Autism is within the range of normal human variation and has always been with us. meadowlander Oct 2025 #39
I live with my nephew who has severe autism. Iggo Oct 2025 #44
I don't know if autism is genetic edhopper Oct 2025 #46
I just got goose bumps Karma13612 Oct 2025 #50
It's genetic capacity with environmental triggers bucolic_frolic Oct 2025 #51
Discussion is missing the obvious. For it to be evolutionary, there have to be children Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #52
Evolution is "adaption", not necessarily improvement. RoeVWade Oct 2025 #53
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