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meadowlander

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43. ASD can be comorbid with intellectual disability, epilepsy, etc.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:21 PM
Oct 2025

I don't think the science is there yet that it's autism that "causes" either high or low IQ. Autism is a spectrum of neurological traits like attention to detail, ability to hyperfocus, intense special interests, strong pattern recognition, etc. some of which may be beneficial on traditional IQ tests and some of which may be detrimental. We may at some future date be able to untether autism from comorbid conditions that create poor quality of life for some autistic people without "curing" autism.

Autistic people tend to have spikey profiles - amazing at things they have invested their focused attention on and shockingly crap at things they haven't. Like Sherlock Holmes being able to identify what street a particularly type of mud comes from but not knowing that the earth revolves around the sun because it wasn't relevant to his interests. So depending on what the test is testing they may score well or poorly.

What makes a "good mutation"? It can be one that benefits the species as a whole rather than the individual which clearly having a certain percentage of people fascinated by breeding the best kind of wheat or figuring out how to make calendars or knocking different types of rocks together until they found a convenient and predictable way to make fire, or testing foods until they figured out which ones were poisonous or not.

Autistic people are also disproportionately queer and there's a theory that having queer people in a social group is an evolutionary advantage because having some people not burdened by childcare but focused on tasks that benefit the colony as a whole, provides advantages to those social groups.

I think a lot of the priests and priestesses, monks and nuns that transcribed and illuminated ancient texts were actually autistic and that that effort helped to preserve a lot of information that would otherwise have been lost. If you have sensory issues and are asexual (which again, a disproportionate number of autistic people are) then living in a quiet monastery and devoting yourself to copying texts sounds pretty fab.

So you're welcome Western Civilisation.

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I didn't know that about patterns. murielm99 Oct 2025 #1
To offer a counter example thomski64 Oct 2025 #2
Yes, he came to mind. It may not always be positive but there are plenty of traditionally thinking people who are Quixote1818 Oct 2025 #3
Trump is an "NT" paleotn Oct 2025 #6
Eloon's brain is mush Alice Kramden Oct 2025 #28
I believe it's probably a genetic mutation (in the scientifically neutral sense) that exhibits naturally AZJonnie Oct 2025 #4
Agreed. That's the thing about genes. They're not static. paleotn Oct 2025 #9
Yup, and there's not just mutations, there are also gene expressions AZJonnie Oct 2025 #12
I like your train of thought. erronis Oct 2025 #32
Good ol epigenetics nt mr715 Oct 2025 #42
Humanity did not start with humans. cachukis Oct 2025 #16
Very much true!!! AZJonnie Oct 2025 #22
The thinkers know. cachukis Oct 2025 #24
My Son The Astronomer is on the spectrum. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #5
Thanks for sharing, my grandson has Tree Lady Oct 2025 #36
That's not how evolution works SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #7
You're right, classical evolutionary theory does focus on traits that improve individual reproductive success. However Quixote1818 Oct 2025 #10
They implied there was a sudden increase in autism due to technology SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #20
It has showed up. Regardless. cachukis Oct 2025 #17
But not as an adaption to extremely new technologies SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #21
Too early to judge in my mind. cachukis Oct 2025 #23
Either an individual benefit trait or a community survival component. haele Oct 2025 #34
Reed College, Portland OR; PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #38
No. People who are on the spectrum are still Homo sapiens. sakabatou Oct 2025 #8
You sure about that? paleotn Oct 2025 #11
"Yet we could still interbreed" sakabatou Oct 2025 #14
Severe autism is pretty awful. milestogo Oct 2025 #13
Mild to Moderate is no picnic either. Rhiagel Oct 2025 #33
Civilization is where it is now because of people who "cover their ears and stim". meadowlander Oct 2025 #40
Oh, hell no. hunter Oct 2025 #15
This is hyperbolic and unhelpful. meadowlander Oct 2025 #41
Autism is not some delightful "quirk." Often it's painful. hunter Oct 2025 #45
Astrid. French with subtitles. Great study of the subject. cachukis Oct 2025 #18
I believe it is. Faux pas Oct 2025 #19
It's not ESP, it's pattern recognition... hunter Oct 2025 #27
Actually, it is ESP. Check out The Telepathy Tapes for more info. TheRickles Oct 2025 #29
I've had paranormal experiences. I've had telepathic experiences. hunter Oct 2025 #48
Both can be true. Sometimes it's this, and sometimes it's that. TheRickles Oct 2025 #49
There are some genuinely terrible autistic people biocube Oct 2025 #25
We seem to be evolving towards extinction Bmoboy Oct 2025 #26
❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #30
Thank you Wild blueberry Oct 2025 #31
I'm no expert, but... Morbius Oct 2025 #35
Stop the testing! JoseBalow Oct 2025 #47
ASD has a bimodal IQ distribution Mosby Oct 2025 #37
ASD can be comorbid with intellectual disability, epilepsy, etc. meadowlander Oct 2025 #43
Autism is within the range of normal human variation and has always been with us. meadowlander Oct 2025 #39
I live with my nephew who has severe autism. Iggo Oct 2025 #44
I don't know if autism is genetic edhopper Oct 2025 #46
I just got goose bumps Karma13612 Oct 2025 #50
It's genetic capacity with environmental triggers bucolic_frolic Oct 2025 #51
Discussion is missing the obvious. For it to be evolutionary, there have to be children Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #52
Evolution is "adaption", not necessarily improvement. RoeVWade Oct 2025 #53
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