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Cirsium

(4,117 posts)
73. OK
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 08:25 PM
Oct 2025

I don't know, here are some things I have posted on the topic before.

On the topic of "bail outs" -

Agriculture in the US has been subsidized for a long time in various ways - the Farm Credit program, Cooperative Extension, the Land Grant college system, farm Service agencies, the Agricultural Conservation Easement Program, the Natural Resources Conservation Service, the state and federal departments of agriculture, public health and safety agencies, soil and water conservation districts, etc.

The purpose of those programs is to benefit the general public, and that is most certainly the case. It is the eaters who are "bailed out" not the growers.

On the topic of whether or not the "farm vote" is consequential:

There are 3,000,000 or so workers in Missouri, and there are about 27,000 farm workers, a few of whom are actually owners — “farmers.”

By way of comparison, there are 358,470 people working in office and administrative occupations; 251,150 transportation workers; 200,200 heath care practitioners; 257,610 food service workers; 239,430 work in sales; 197,350 factory workers; 181,350 in financial occupations; 169,240 work in education; 159,960 health care support workers; 120,100 installation and repair workers; 116,510 construction workers; 85,000 computer related jobs; 82,140 maintenance workers; 60,980 law enforcement and emergency services; 58,460 personal care workers; 46,640 social services workers; 35,520 in engineering jobs; 33,440 in arts and entertainment.

https://meric.mo.gov/data/occupation/occupational-employment-wages

The “farm vote” is a myth.

Let’s look at Nebraska where we find the district with the highest concentration of farm owners.

Nebraska has about 22,000 full time farm owners, while 935,000 people in Nebraska voted in 2024. Farmers represent a little over 2% of the potential voters.

By way of comparison, Nebraska has 121,000 office workers, 101,000 healthcare workers, 88,000 restaurant workers, 80,000 sales agents, 72,000 managers and administrators, 59,000 financial agents, 57,000 teachers, 50,000 construction workers, 44,000 equipment installation, maintenance, and repair workers, 33,000 IT workers, 30, 000 truck drivers, 29,000 building and grounds cleaning and maintenance workers, 24,000 personal care and service workers, and so forth.

A lot of innocent people are harmed by FAFO. When food production is negatively impacted, the demographic that suffers is the 342,000,000 eaters. We should not be celebrating “FAFO.” Nor should we be perpetuating myths about agriculture. Included in those who are “getting what they voted for” in Nebraska are 369,995 Democratic voters, close to 40% of the vote, and 500,000 children.

It is not the “farm vote” that matters, it is what I call the “Walter Mitty vote.” That is to say white people who fantasize about being farmers — or soldiers, or pioneers, or lumberjacks, etc. — “real Americans! rugged individualists!” — but who actually live humdrum lives working in cubicles or driving around in traffic, while the glittering promises of the white settler project become farther and farther out of reach. It is easy to see how Republican politicians have played on that fantasy life and exploited it — Reagan on horseback, Bush and his phony ranch, Trump with his YMCA nonsense, Noem and whatever the hell she is doing. Trump promises them he will restore those glittering promises. Yippee-ki-ya-ya.

Don’t buy into the “farm vote” myth, which was created and disseminated by the right wing propagandists. It is nonsense.

Who was Walter Mitty? Walter Mitty is an ordinary, unexceptional man with an exceptional imagination. To escape the mundane world in which he lives he hides in a secret life filled with adventure and excitement. As Walter, a passive, humdrum man, does menial tasks, like driving his wife to a hair appointment or buying necessities from a drug store he imagines himself something far greater than what he is. In one instance he becomes a commander driving a hydroplane through a storm. Another daydream turns Mitty into a brilliant surgeon. In real life he is doing nothing more than sitting in a running car, or leaning against the side of a building. In each instance he finds himself transformed by his imagination into a more successful version of himself.

In real life Walter Mitty is a forgetful husband, cowardly man, and passive individual. But, his imaginations fill him with the qualities he sees as being admirable in a man. As a commander of a hydroplane he is fearless and brave. When he becomes a surgeon he suddenly finds himself calm under pressure, brilliant, and skilled. In each instance Mitty finds respect and reverence from those around him. Masculinity, in one instance, is a social term that gains its meaning from the culture of the time.

https://medium.com/@brktrail/lessons-from-the-secret-life-of-walter-mitty-dcaecf7cd731

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Farmers getting what they voted for Johonny Oct 2025 #1
Not true Cirsium Oct 2025 #36
Nothing you said negates the statement. Shoeless Louis Oct 2025 #52
Of course it does Cirsium Oct 2025 #57
False, farmers and voted for the stupid and got it uponit7771 Oct 2025 #84
I'll tell you what is stupid Cirsium Oct 2025 #85
False, "The Republicans take care of the owners". ... MAGA takes care of big farm corps uponit7771 Oct 2025 #86
Of course! Cirsium Oct 2025 #88
You are agreeing with the comment you said was not true/. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #65
OK Cirsium Oct 2025 #73
Sooo, true ...they voted for the stupid uponit7771 Oct 2025 #83
We really do need better Public Education. Kid Berwyn Oct 2025 #2
Exactly. Get out there, Farmer Bill, and pick your own goddamned produce! Aristus Oct 2025 #3
How many of the "farms" are owned by corporations today, slightlv Oct 2025 #67
Mostly still family farms Cirsium Oct 2025 #72
Yippers, F*ck trump! slightlv Oct 2025 #74
I give Cirsium Oct 2025 #77
Owners Cirsium Oct 2025 #38
some do North Coast Lawyer Oct 2025 #51
There is a lot more to it than that Cirsium Oct 2025 #59
You don't hear the Amish crybagging about not being able to bring the crops in. They help each other. Hotler Oct 2025 #4
If they Rebl2 Oct 2025 #9
Money motivates MAGAs more than most. BadgerMom Oct 2025 #30
The Russians used to do it. Harvest season was a national priority. ChicagoTeamster Oct 2025 #15
You're right they would use the army. Duncanpup Oct 2025 #28
It's more fun to troll "owning the libs" on social media all day long. Justice matters. Oct 2025 #66
If King Don gives them a bailout will they continue to vote Republican? Diamond_Dog Oct 2025 #5
They won't stop because "it's all Obama's fault". Or some such nonsense. Wonder Why Oct 2025 #7
Maybe they can use that in bankruptcy court? Doubt it will fly. paleotn Oct 2025 #14
Even without a bailout they will vote Republican RainCaster Oct 2025 #8
If they keep going bankrupt and committing suicide... littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #19
Thanks for that Cirsium Oct 2025 #42
Slanderous Cirsium Oct 2025 #39
I disagree RainCaster Oct 2025 #75
Bash away then Cirsium Oct 2025 #78
You missed the point of his/her post. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2025 #76
Right Cirsium Oct 2025 #79
A bailout? Ag isn't a one growing season gig. paleotn Oct 2025 #13
Always true Cirsium Oct 2025 #48
Of course they will continue to vote Republican popsdenver Oct 2025 #64
Sickening the destruction Trump is wreaking across this land. True evil afoot Blues Heron Oct 2025 #6
Get ready to feel it on the grocery shelves. paleotn Oct 2025 #10
It's all the migrant's fault. It was their plan all along. Buddyzbuddy Oct 2025 #11
ICE can pick tomatoes, they'd be doing something useful. CaptainTruth Oct 2025 #12
Or DeSantis can send the Florida National Guard to do it. GoodRaisin Oct 2025 #63
Big duh there Floridian farmers. travelingthrulife Oct 2025 #16
When people pay $2 for a tomato they can't blame President Biden ! kimbutgar Oct 2025 #17
A tiny, bug eaten, bland tasting one. If you're able to find one that's littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #21
Surely Trump will send in the National Guard to pick 'em! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Oct 2025 #18
I predict a stock market crash. Emile Oct 2025 #20
You're not wrong, emile. A crash is definitely in the cards. The question is when. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 2025 #22
There is a real irony in that it even costs money to destroy your unpicked crop. flashman13 Oct 2025 #23
So why don't they them into u-pick farms? mwmisses4289 Oct 2025 #24
A group of Hispanics in my area got together and purchased an old farm. The allegorical oracle Oct 2025 #33
dang 3auld6phart Oct 2025 #25
Oh well JustAnotherGen Oct 2025 #26
How about put some incarcerated folk out in the fields to pick produce? BattleRow Oct 2025 #27
What Is Indentured Servitude? taxi Oct 2025 #32
Well,pay them a small salary for their efforts.. BattleRow Oct 2025 #37
And who do you suggest pay them? taxi Oct 2025 #40
It would depend on the type of facility.. BattleRow Oct 2025 #43
I have a problem with it. Let me break it down. taxi Oct 2025 #44
Check out Angola state Prison in Louisiana. BattleRow Oct 2025 #46
Migrant workers migrate to work seasonal crops and harvests. This isn't a solution. taxi Oct 2025 #49
I've never understood anyone who votes against their own self interest. BattleRow Oct 2025 #50
Yup. A great deal of effort goes into steering public opinion. taxi Oct 2025 #54
Bum"steering "with tons of B.S. BattleRow Oct 2025 #62
The 13th Amendment gives it its blessing. cloudbase Oct 2025 #56
That is true. taxi Oct 2025 #60
Give them away then Quanta Oct 2025 #29
And if they had to do it all over again, their vote wouldn't change awesomerwb1 Oct 2025 #31
Hire Able-Bodied Americans Deep State Witch Oct 2025 #34
Currently US society is often not geared towards physical fitness nitpicked Oct 2025 #80
I was being sarcastic Deep State Witch Oct 2025 #82
Don't just talk, SCREAM God Damnit! Exp Oct 2025 #35
There are 200, give or take, Nazipublican congresscritters who don't seem to have anything to do. nt Buns_of_Fire Oct 2025 #41
"Why is my pizza so expensive?" progressoid Oct 2025 #45
Cuban Exiles are in general big MAGATs, do they use lots of tomatoes in their recipes? UTUSN Oct 2025 #47
Trump should mobilize the National Guard to go pick the crops if he wants a national emergency to deal with Walleye Oct 2025 #53
What in the hell did Florida Farmers expect to happen? ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2025 #55
Send in the National Guard Raven123 Oct 2025 #58
Republicans are screwing America royally Champp Oct 2025 #61
MaddowBlog-Trump administration eyes higher food prices as a result of the immigration crackdown LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2025 #68
We told you not to vote for him, but you didn't listen to us! Initech Oct 2025 #69
No Food Banks Were Called? BidenRocks Oct 2025 #70
FAFOed. Call me when we're "great again." B.See Oct 2025 #71
Time to bring back gleaning JCMach1 Oct 2025 #81
Goldman Sachs exposes trump's huge lie that foreign countries are paying his tariffs and not US consumers LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2025 #87
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