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COL Mustard

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23. He is a military professional and is clearly demonstrating his integrity.

Thu Oct 16, 2025, 06:39 PM

Oct 2025

This whole Venezuela gambit will not end well. He is leaving before he violates his conscience.

Military officers cannot refuse to carry out lawful orders and there is a high bar for proving that an order is illegal. If one can't in good conscience carry out orders, the only legal option is to leave.

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Its was unclear why...Holsey is leaving... Volaris Oct 2025 #1

It's Journalism 101. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #3

Context isn't speculation. Kid Berwyn Oct 2025 #6

Exactly. But that would require the NYT to do some real reporting rather than parroting. erronis Oct 2025 #20

Teagan Goddard did. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #63

Thanks - mea culpa for not going to the source! erronis Oct 2025 #64

They can give more perspective surrounding the leaders actions though uponit7771 Oct 2025 #16

Here's some additional reporting from the actual NYT article: maxsolomon Oct 2025 #62

Sure. But there are different ways to handle that. soldierant Oct 2025 #33

He doesn't want soldierant Oct 2025 #30

Seriously! It really is pretty fucking obvious. ananda Oct 2025 #31

He didn't want to be charged with murder. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #35

If that's the reason, it's a tad late. TomSlick Oct 2025 #55

The Felon is going to drop bombs in Venezuela soon... Bread and Circuses Oct 2025 #2

MAGA children and grandchildren will be Trump's cannon fodder! IrishAfricanAmerican Oct 2025 #15

Exactly Racygrandma Oct 2025 #48

Exactly CanonRay Oct 2025 #28

Yes the admiral got a glimpse of the long range plans. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #38

Trump is playing around in Captain Zero Oct 2025 #4

He obviously has a sense of right and wrong. Biophilic Oct 2025 #5

He is a military professional and is clearly demonstrating his integrity. COL Mustard Oct 2025 #23

Yes. Perhaps the admiral doesn't agree with the morals of the Trump Crime Syndicate. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #39

It would be great if he spoke out publicly about his reasons. Maybe after he has resigned. TheRickles Oct 2025 #54

I speculate that Adm. Holsey will go on Nicolle Wallace's or Rachel Maddow's show presently Hekate Oct 2025 #7

I doubt it. COL Mustard Oct 2025 #26

"Presently" is indefinite. "After he retires" is covered. Hekate Oct 2025 #56

Trump has threatened to take rank and pensions from those who are disloyal. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #41

That's why some are retiring now and returning to civilian life. Hekate Oct 2025 #57

Yes better to retire now and keep their pensions and rank than risk losing it. Irish_Dem Oct 2025 #59

They worked for it -- they earned it. To be robbed of their rank, achievements, & earned level of retirement... Hekate Oct 2025 #60

Ordering your units to kill civilians while we're not at war is a crime wolfie001 Oct 2025 #44

Where does the SCOTUS fall in the application of the UCMJ? Hekate Oct 2025 #58

The 6 SC pigs have made it impossible to hold the fat orange imbecile to account wolfie001 Oct 2025 #66

Yeah that's a real head scratcher 🤔 underpants Oct 2025 #8

He had enough. Trump has immunity, the others, not so much. Blues Heron Oct 2025 #9

I'm not a lawyer, but... GopherGal Oct 2025 #10

tRUMP and the other killer clown Nut-&-Yahoo wolfie001 Oct 2025 #45

Which Fox talking head will get this coveted position? superpatriotman Oct 2025 #11

Holsey is also far from 'white' enough Norbert Oct 2025 #12

I was was waiting for someone to mention that JoseBalow Oct 2025 #21

Very handsome man. scarletlib Oct 2025 #34

Fuck. I should have known. They pushed him out as too "DEI." SunSeeker Oct 2025 #53

Some bad shit about to go down? Klarkashton Oct 2025 #13

When military leaders step down, we ALL know that something big and ugly is about to happen. bluestarone Oct 2025 #14

Firings and resignations prior to J6 come to mind. 58Sunliner Oct 2025 #24

From the Angry Staffer,whom some of us follow irisblue Oct 2025 #17

There was the Colombian lady who said her husband went out fishing and the US Navy killed him wolfie001 Oct 2025 #46

Reminds me of a Paul McCartney song.... COL Mustard Oct 2025 #18

Google sez "berth," not bath. Did autofill type in "bath"? Ilsa Oct 2025 #22

That's how I always heard it! COL Mustard Oct 2025 #27

I have some sort of dain bramage that Ilsa Oct 2025 #29

I listened to it and you are correct! COL Mustard Oct 2025 #36

Ha ha! I knew it was butter pie! I really Ilsa Oct 2025 #40

I heard we had a number of B-52's flying over Venezuela BidenRocks Oct 2025 #19

What's the Spanish word.... COL Mustard Oct 2025 #37

This is the suggested word. BidenRocks Oct 2025 #47

BTW you can still be convicted of murder even if the president told you to kill someone Takket Oct 2025 #25

Yep. Murder can be charged as a state crime, impervious to presidential pardon. nt SunSeeker Oct 2025 #65

Uncle Albert/Admiral Holsey Gore1FL Oct 2025 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Oct 2025 #43

Thanks! BidenRocks Oct 2025 #50

His biggest operation is killing civilian boaters with zero regard on whether they're actually guilty of anything wolfie001 Oct 2025 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author tazcat Oct 2025 #49

We know! BidenRocks Oct 2025 #52

Related? Reuters reporter on X is saying survivors from the latest attack on a boat Yonnie3 Oct 2025 #51

This Marine colonel has resigned, and is speaking out. TheRickles Oct 2025 #61