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In reply to the discussion: American Taliban: Women have no right to their own bodies, but they're responsible for HIS [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)64. This was discussed last week, here is the thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=345119
Basically the Iowa Supreme Court decided to follow what the FEDERAL 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (The Circuit Iowa is in). The problem is, given that the US has embraced the concept that employers can fire employees for any reason, unless it is an illegal reason, where do you draw the line between illegal termination due to sex AND legal termination for any other reason, including no reason?
You should read the opinion:
http://www.iowacourts.gov/Supreme_Court/Recent_Opinions/20121221/11-1857.pdf
The Key Paragraph is as follows:
Nelsons arguments warrant serious consideration, but we ultimately think a distinction exists between (1) an isolated employment decision based on personal relations (assuming no coercion or quid pro quo), even if the relations would not have existed if the employee had been of the opposite gender, and (2) a decision based on gender itself. In the former case, the decision is driven entirely by individual feelings and emotions regarding a specific person. Such a decision is not genderbased, nor is it based on factors that might be a proxy for gender
Please note I am NOT agreeing with the above, just pointing out the line the Court wanted to draw.
Basically the Iowa Supreme Court decided to follow what the FEDERAL 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (The Circuit Iowa is in). The problem is, given that the US has embraced the concept that employers can fire employees for any reason, unless it is an illegal reason, where do you draw the line between illegal termination due to sex AND legal termination for any other reason, including no reason?
You should read the opinion:
http://www.iowacourts.gov/Supreme_Court/Recent_Opinions/20121221/11-1857.pdf
The Key Paragraph is as follows:
Nelsons arguments warrant serious consideration, but we ultimately think a distinction exists between (1) an isolated employment decision based on personal relations (assuming no coercion or quid pro quo), even if the relations would not have existed if the employee had been of the opposite gender, and (2) a decision based on gender itself. In the former case, the decision is driven entirely by individual feelings and emotions regarding a specific person. Such a decision is not genderbased, nor is it based on factors that might be a proxy for gender
Please note I am NOT agreeing with the above, just pointing out the line the Court wanted to draw.
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American Taliban: Women have no right to their own bodies, but they're responsible for HIS [View all]
ProfessionalLeftist
Dec 2012
OP
Hey, Gloria Allred is ALRIGHT! If we hadn't had irritants like her, we'd be so much farther
calimary
Dec 2012
#69
Seems he had issues with her presence regardless the wife. And the pastor (male) helped
ProfessionalLeftist
Dec 2012
#11
so, dont blame the attractive woman, blame the other woman. whatever we do, do NOT blame the man.
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#15
Once again, Women are relegated to second-class citizens. This shit is going to keep up ..
BlueJazz
Dec 2012
#19
The Taliban outlaw woman to work, have any legal voice, show any skin, use phones, drive...
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#20
Are you actually defending this? To answer your question: he should have done nothing.
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#32
We also get erections when our jeans rub us the right(or wrong) way...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2012
#42
The point is that your penis doesn't need a source of attraction, or if it does have one...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2012
#54
Put it in context. This was not just someone he saw walking down the street.
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#60
Yeah, I don't get that turn of phrase either, and usually, unless you are itching to get fired...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2012
#55
His choices were (1) do not fuck her or (2) fuck her over. He chose option #2. n/t
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#65
Ok. Lets juxtapose context. (Just discussing context not comparing situations)
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#75
Counseling would be good. Finding another job for someone is problematic...
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#63
I didn't get snotty. I realized that even though you were quoting statistics, you were misusing them
mbperrin
Dec 2012
#96
I have this very discussion with my sophomore high school students every year.
mbperrin
Dec 2012
#70
It really depends on the situation. The body responds in certain ways depending on certain stimuli
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#82
I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean is a learned behavior. You could be referring to a couple
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#90
In retrospect that wasn't the best argument as pertaining to this case...
Flabbergasted
Dec 2012
#84
This is the issue with patriarchal religion. It's no better than the Taliban.
ProfessionalLeftist
Dec 2012
#37
If he started to have a crush on her, that's his problem, not hers, she shouldn't have been...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2012
#44
Our religious fundamentalists really aren't any better than the ones we're fighting.
Initech
Dec 2012
#58