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sabrina 1

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Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:12 PM Dec 2012

The offer of the Chained CPI is a 'Brilliant Strategy'! Could someone explain this please? [View all]

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Republicans turned down the President's latest offer to reduce the Deficit, an offer that included what has been described as a 'stealth way to cut SS benefits'.

All over the country the inclusion of these cuts to SS in the offer has mobilized a huge Coalition of Democratic/Progressive Organizations, the Unions, the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Bernie Sanders, AARP, SS advocacy groups, Senior Advocacy Groups, Disabled Organizations and millions of ordinary Americans to call their Senators to demand that they refuse to accept this offer and to go further, to demand it be removed from the Deficit Discussions where it clearly does not belong.

Republicans are also being bombarded with calls.

There are daily action alerts to remove the Chained CPI from any further offers.

Nancy Pelosi has unbelievably said she will 'support the President on the Chained CPI' because, she incredibly stated, 'it will strengthen SS'. See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022042171

In the face of the fact that all of these huge organizations and some of the Democratic Leadership actually believe that the President was serious about this offer, we are being told that 'he is just playing games with Republicans' that 'he doesn't mean it' ]and that this is a 'brilliant strategy'.

I have tried to figure out how putting SS on the Deficit Discussion table can do anything other than create the impression that it belongs there, furthering the Republican lie that SS ever had anything to do with the Deficit. This is a dangerous game to play with SS.

Republicans, thankfully, turned down this offer. But they did not turn it down because of the cuts to SS, they turned it down because of the Tax Increases to the Wealthy.

So here is where I am having a problem with the claim that putting SS cuts on the Deficit Table is so brilliant.

Republicans would have turned down any offer that had tax increases for the wealthy. If the 'game' is to make them look like obstructionists, then all that was needed was to focus on those tax increases on the wealthy, a very popular policy with the American people.

There was no need to include cuts to SS in order to force Republicans to do exactly as expected.

I would love someone to explain to me why, when making the offer to Republicans, Democrats did not take the popular position of stating something like this:

Republicans do not want the wealthiest Americans to have to pay their share. Unfortunately, after 12 years of tax cuts the wealthy must now start contributing to reducing the deficit which was created by wars and tax cuts and now we must face the consequences of those policies.

They want us to include cuts to SS and Medicare in these discussions. We have refused to do so since SS had nothing to do with the Deficit.

We have made a fair offer and we are hoping Republicans will accept it so that we can get on with the job we are all here to do, work for the benefit if the American people.


Republicans would not have accepted it. The President would have come out of it looking like a defender of the American People. He would have been able to show that Republicans are the ones who want to cut SS and that they will fight FOR the Wealthy while taking from Retirees, the Disabled, Veterans and Dependent children. THAT to me would have been a 'brilliant strategy'.

Instead, Republicans are actually now getting credit for stopping cuts to SS however inadvertently while millions of Americans are angry at Democrats for risking SS cuts when they did not need to.

So how on earth does including the Chained CPI become some kind of brilliant strategy? So far I have seen no explanation of these claims.


Some clear statements from real Democrats in Congress on the inclusion of the Chained CPI in any offers related to the Deficit:

'Unacceptable': Democrats Sound Off on 'Chained' CPI Proposal

Democrats in the House are speaking out against a proposed Social Security cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) cut known as the “chained” CPI, which would severely harm the elderly and people with disabilities.

Here are some highlights and videos of written and public statements:

Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.):

Social Security has nothing to do with the debt problems that we're facing now. The seniors and disabled should not be held hostage by the Republicans. Their only priority in this debate is to protect America's wealthiest citizens. Under former President Bush, our nation financed two wars on the credit card and senior citizens should not be collateral damage. We lost trillions of dollars through irresponsible tax cuts and let's be clear, tax cuts are the same as spending when it comes to the deficit. And now the Republican Party's proposed solution is to make up the difference from taking money from seniors. That is unacceptable.

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.):

In order to shield the wealthiest Americans from paying Clinton-era tax rates, Republicans are demanding cuts to programs that benefit the poorest Americans. Inequality in the United States is the worst it has been since the Gilded Age, and their cuts would make it worse, not better.

One proposal is to reduce Social Security’s annual cost-of-living adjustment through the use of the so-called chained CPI. It’s a benefit cut—pure and simple— an average earner retiring in 2011 at age 65 would lose $6,000 in benefits over 15 years. It’s particularly devastating for women—who live longer, rely more on Social Security and receive lower benefits.

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.):

Everyone has a grandparent, a friend or a neighbor who relies on the Social Security benefits they earned to pay for medical care, food and housing. A move toward chained CPI would be a long-term benefit cut for every single person who receives a Social Security check.

The current average earned benefit for a 65-year-old on Social Security is $17,134. Using chained CPI will result in a $6,000 loss for retirees in the first 15 years of retirement and adds up to a $16,000 loss over 25 years. This change would be devastating to beneficiaries, especially widowed women, more than a third of whom rely on the program for 90% of their income and use every single dollar of the Social Security checks they've earned. This would require the most vulnerable Americans to dig further into their savings to fill the hole left by unnecessary and irresponsible cuts to Social Security.

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.):

The less money our Social Security recipients—including 9 million veterans—are able to spend, the less money goes to the businesses that create jobs. "Chained" CPI makes life harder for millions of retirees, weakens Social Security and doesn’t reduce the deficit by a penny. It’s a Beltway fig leaf that I will never support, and I call on my colleagues to make their feelings known as soon as possible before this becomes yet another piece of conventional wisdom that makes things worse.

Lifting the cap on high earners paying into Social Security is a real fix that would make the program solvent indefinitely. If we want to talk about solutions, let’s talk about that, not inventing reasons to take money from American retirees.


Are these Democrats too blind to see the 'brilliance' of including SS cuts in any offer to Republicans?

If so, someone needs to explain why. Otherwise, I am with them and with all the others who are currently working to make sure it is removed from further discussions of the Deficit.

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It is the football that Lucy currently holds so Charlie Brown can try to kick it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #1
I'm sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me at all. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #2
Don't you see? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #4
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #6
Do you consider the Chained CPI to be a cut to SS? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7
Since it results in lower benefits over time than what would otherwise occur mbperrin Dec 2012 #36
Thank you that is how I see it and that is how Veterans and all other Dem sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #62
Can hookers be convicted for simply offering to shtup? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #9
So you agree with regressive anti-prostitution laws? joshcryer Dec 2012 #12
Oh boy. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15
Not going to answer the question? Anti-John laws have shown consistently... joshcryer Dec 2012 #18
Have I told you that I love you? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #21
For what it's worth... joshcryer Dec 2012 #26
And Happy Holidays to you Manny truedelphi Dec 2012 #51
Yes - the Social Security tax cut. Cuts the amount of money going into SS. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #19
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. pomkrazy Dec 2012 #93
Well, I'm trying to see and understand the claims that this is some brilliant sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #23
Face the facts, babe: MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #25
Lol, this must be true because no matter how hard I try, I cannot figure it out, this sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32
Where did I say that SS contributes to the deficit??? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #5
Yep, the poverty exemption assures it will not happen that way. joshcryer Dec 2012 #11
How does exempting the poorest from the Chained CPI lift them out of poverty? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #50
Their base income is increased to some value above 125% poverty. joshcryer Dec 2012 #55
Where did you read that? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #56
That's because Pelosi is taken out of context by liars. joshcryer Dec 2012 #63
I tend to trust Pelosi Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #65
You tend to trust Nancy impeachment-is-off-the-table Pelosi? Good for you. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #67
Is that you Newt? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #75
War criminals should be in prison. They should not be walking around free, rich, and happy. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #85
So you would Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #89
Nancy Pelosi said this week that the Chained CPI will 'strengthen SS' and that sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #71
Last year the Treasury had to borrow Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #77
The SS Fund has more than one source of revenue. That is why despite the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #91
I don't disagree... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #96
Well, I think we basically agree. The main point though is that while SS sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #100
I'll tell you what really worries me about Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #101
Nancy Pelosi said this week that the Chained CPI will 'strengthen SS' and that pomkrazy Dec 2012 #94
So then Nancy Pelosi was wrong to say she will support Obama's inclusion of the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #14
But Obama put them on the table - that's the problem grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #20
Those programs exist, the GOP hates them, therefore, they are always on the table. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #38
They hate the 14th amendment, why not put that on the table? Because it has nothing grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #79
Is Obama going to make a deal that cuts SS by the end of the year ... yes or no. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #105
No, but only because we've raised holy hell about about it. That said, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #106
I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #37
Well, that was not the question though. There are people here on DU who sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #53
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #66
Why should everyone else receive cuts? Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #70
Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #73
What are these exemptions? Bernie Sanders and many other respected Dems sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #74
That's my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #76
No, there is not any reason for a Fund that is independent of the Fed Budget sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #81
Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #83
Nonsense. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #8
LOL limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #61
There is no reason for Social Security to be in a deficit discussion Melissa G Dec 2012 #16
Its more than a defict discussion. Always has been. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #40
And how does a discussion of the problems with the Fed Budget have anything to sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58
Yes, and that doesn't matter. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #107
Your posts are not complete or logical. Melissa G Dec 2012 #78
I'm simply stating facts. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #108
You are NOT simply stating facts. Melissa G Dec 2012 #110
But that is not what was offered when SS was put on the table! it is cutting benefits! SugarShack Dec 2012 #27
So do you predict that Obama will agree to a deal that cuts SS by the end of this year? Yes or No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #42
Respectfully, that's ludicrous. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #52
If this ends up being part of a deal made with Republicans, Democrats sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #68
So is your prediction that he will make a deal to cut SS by the end of the year. Yes or No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #109
+1 Liberalynn Dec 2012 #3
No more GRAND DEALS including the kitchen sink. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #10
+1 grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #22
Couldn't agree more, but if they did things the logical way as you laid out, sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #64
I fail to see the "brilliance" in the President ... ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #13
+1 nashville_brook Dec 2012 #17
I agree, but I am being told here on DU that putting SS cuts on this table sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #24
because many here just can't believe Obama would do such a thing, but he HAS! SugarShack Dec 2012 #28
Respect? How do you know how people came to the decisions they have? If you can say that patrice Dec 2012 #30
Thank you. 840high Dec 2012 #45
So is your prediction that he will make a deal to cut SS by the end of the year. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #43
It speaks to Repubs' 47%. Getting MORE people to stand up to their "representation" is good, that is patrice Dec 2012 #29
Well, we're not talking about 'demogogues on the internet' we are talking about sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #31
The only thing from Sanders about the CPI that I have seen was a chart showing the slowing in the patrice Dec 2012 #34
Bernie Sanders on the Chained CPI: sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #39
Thanks, Senator Sanders is good enough for me. nt patrice Dec 2012 #69
What I find amazing... former_con Dec 2012 #33
Why? in a word, Congress. And what calls itself "the Left" is getting all of the mileage it can out patrice Dec 2012 #35
Yep former_con Dec 2012 #41
I gather you are not impressed with "the Left". madfloridian Dec 2012 #47
What do you mean by 'the left'? Maybe I am misuderstanding you but you seem sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #59
I took it to mean the poster is former_con Dec 2012 #92
Why, indeed? CrispyQ Dec 2012 #90
good luck stupidicus Dec 2012 #44
Good post. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #97
that's it in a nutshell alrighty stupidicus Dec 2012 #104
Doggone it, Sabrina. There you go playing checkers again. madfloridian Dec 2012 #46
Omg, did Plouffe really say that? I can't believe it! Who are these people who sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #72
Between six and seven sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #48
Exactly, that is what we should be discussing. But even here on DU I see sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #82
Right now I am focused upon what is happening in Newtown bluestateguy Dec 2012 #49
We can do both. It won't help Veterans, Seniors and the most vulnerable sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #54
I thought he was just going to wash Boehner's car leftstreet Dec 2012 #57
Maybe Obama secretly wants to cut social security. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #60
DING DING DING! We have a winner! grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #80
+1 forestpath Dec 2012 #88
Maybe Obama secretly wants to cut social security. pomkrazy Dec 2012 #98
There is nothing brilliant about.... NCTraveler Dec 2012 #84
I'm waiting for the entire democratic party to say what Representative Brown said: CrispyQ Dec 2012 #86
It's a huge betrayal and kick in the teeth to vulnerable people. forestpath Dec 2012 #87
this n/t ^^^^^ warrprayer Dec 2012 #95
You go with what you got. If that's all you have, you use it. Autumn Dec 2012 #99
Its a sleight of hand. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #102
Thanks, that is correct. It is the attempt to deceive that has angered so many sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #103
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