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In reply to the discussion: American Taliban: Women have no right to their own bodies, but they're responsible for HIS [View all]Flabbergasted
(7,826 posts)If my wife rubs me in a variety of ways I will likely get an erection. It is not a conscious decision. It's a reflex.
I remember my wife talking about this certain very attractive man at the gym that would make her wet just from looking at him. Once again a reflex.
If I see a picture of a naked woman that I find attractive and I am "in the mood" I would likely get arroused.
Also consider that sexual urge builds and makes control more difficult.
Do we make choices that may change our exposure to the stimulus. Sure. There are also enviromental, psychological and emotional factors. But to suggest that attraction and sexual arrousal can be controlled is simply not reasonable.
Having this conversation with a sophomore class reminds me of the abstinence only folks having this conversation with their kids. It goes in one ear and right out the other. Upwards of 80% of Americans have sex before age 19 and 90% gave premarital sex. I think you'll have a more receptive audience amongst the catholic clergy but i'm sure it's still a struggle. I'm not trying to put down your job or your curriculum but you did bring it up after all.
Also, I don't think "people don't rape at a nude beach" is a very good argument. People make choices. Most people choose not to rape and those that do, do it so they won't face consequences.
What you are really saying is he had a choice of whether to sleep with her. Yes. He chose not to. However he did not have a choice on whether to be attracted to her. He just was. He didn't see her body under her clothes and think "erection".
Is he a creep? Maybe. Neither of us know him. Was Bill Clinton a creep? I guess. He had sexual fantasies and acted them out in immoral ways. I still respect the hell out of the man. I'd hire him again. People are sexual. We have realms of sexual attractions, fetishes, and preferences.
I think that this is also about circumstances and not completely about control. I'm getting tired of making the same reply as to context. See post 59.