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76. The anti's "legitimate rape" moment.

Reply to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:58 PM

Dec 2012

The teabagger's Waterloo was when they went after women's reproductive rights...self-righteous in their certitude that they were a majority and moderates wouldn't perceive their position as extreme. We know how that story ended.
Now we have the anti-gun crowd, equally self-righteous in their zealotry. They are certain the country is at a "tipping point"...that they represent the majority. They are certain that moderates won't perceive their position as extreme. Thus publishing the names and addresses of permit-holders (a favorite tactic of RW anti-abortion and anti-gay groups) is perfectly justifiable in their holy war.
Well, they are in for a shock. As usually happens, the self-righteous overplay their hand. The sheer numbers of gun-owners (many of whom are Democrats) is going to require the support from some gun-owners to get any legislation passed. Registered gun-owners are doing the legal and responsible thing. For that, they are outed and their privacy violated. Expect no help. If extremists are going to lead the gun-control efforts, they've just pissed away any support from moderates.

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Handgun-owners map draws outrage [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 OP

I don't own a gun, I don't see how that is anyone's bussiness. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #1

agree 100% and people aren't mentionig that elehhhhna Dec 2012 #26

I agree Skittles Dec 2012 #128

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #2

Standard gun-lubber pablum. MrModerate Dec 2012 #12

What? Because people own a gun they lose their right to privacy? geckosfeet Dec 2012 #32

What? Because someone registers to vote they lose their right to privacy? Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #52

Please note that publishing the address of guns for thieves to target puts lives geckosfeet Dec 2012 #74

You know, I've seen two arguments about this Confusious Dec 2012 #77

That's why everyone needs guns! Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #83

Less chance of being a target for gun theft if your address isn't published in newspaper. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #88

Since you apparently didn't get the point Confusious Dec 2012 #89

Heavens to betsy Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #82

The average street thug or crack head? You must be kidding. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #87

The average street thug or crack head Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #101

by your own reckoning you are implicitly saying that gun ownership feeds crime. CTyankee Dec 2012 #91

I love that it makes the gun nuts so uncomfortable Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #71

It makes regular people uncomfortable also NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #90

It is a public service. If I were the parent of a young child, I sure would like to know who has CTyankee Dec 2012 #94

And it doesn't specifcally say if there is a handgun present NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #102

First of all, my "paranoia" is to me a "wise fear" because the gun violence due to handguns is CTyankee Dec 2012 #109

If you say so... NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #111

I can't imagine what such a searchable map on me would be unless it is how I am registered to CTyankee Dec 2012 #112

Proving that everyone will find a way to justify/rationalize their biases. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #116

Public Health is a different issue than Public Safety. CTyankee Dec 2012 #123

I figured you'd have learned your lesson about privacy after the Bush/Cheney years derby378 Dec 2012 #142

Yeah, the safety of my kids. I'm crazy that way... CTyankee Dec 2012 #145

I'm truly torn by this, but I find that I still keep coming back to what you're saying. calimary Dec 2012 #151

This is personal for me. My neice was shot and killed by her stepgrandfather. He was CTyankee Dec 2012 #158

We had a friend who grew up on a ranch out in the country, where there was hunting and fishing calimary Dec 2012 #159

Thank you for sharing your story of loss. CTyankee Dec 2012 #160

But only "traits" that require public registration are searchable. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #104

Such as marriage certificates (including gay), domestic partnerships, SNAP benefits NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #106

Again, where is the public safety issue here? CTyankee Dec 2012 #113

Gun ownership isn't a public safety issue either. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #115

but guns are a public safety issue. Sandy Hook? CTyankee Dec 2012 #122

Gun violence is a public safety problem. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #124

you are aware that this is a public record, aren't you? Are you saying there is no reason CTyankee Dec 2012 #135

If I read correctly is was released per a Freedom of Information request by the Newspaper. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #136

they didn't know? It seems to me that if it was important to them, they would ask at the CTyankee Dec 2012 #138

I don't think anyone thought this would happen. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #140

Isn't it funny that it did? CTyankee Dec 2012 #144

Not sure if funny is the right term. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #146

well, who usually has the weapon and who doesn't in these incidences? CTyankee Dec 2012 #147

Many battered woman are encouraged to buy a handgun. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #148

I really doubt that it comes from mental health professionals. CTyankee Dec 2012 #149

They are encouraged by police. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #150

SNAP benefits aren't public information. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #152

You are talking about announcements. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #153

Had I had Google Earth, I could have mapped marriage licenses. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #154

My local newspaper doesn't publish marriage licenses NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #156

Meh....it doesn't make me uncomfortable. Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #114

I've seen similar lists misused. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #117

I think you need to be more nutmeg and less yankee. eom Fawke Em Dec 2012 #155

Ask the people who signed the petition to recall Governer Walker. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #157

Or perhaps your name is not on the list. randome Dec 2012 #118

So let me get this straight Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #119

He means a woman escaping from an abusive relationship. Many buy a handgun for defense. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #120

Post #35 above is a good reason against bulk publishing of info, even if it is public. randome Dec 2012 #126

An abuser could search through the list to find out where an existing or past victim lives slackmaster Dec 2012 #127

I wouldn't mind annoying gun owners if it accomplished anything. Bucky Dec 2012 #3

A lot of them seem to have no problem forcing those of us with psychiatric diagnoses to wear it Denninmi Dec 2012 #4

correction: those of us who are being treated. elehhhhna Dec 2012 #27

True. Denninmi Dec 2012 #63

As the gun owners keep saying its for protection, why are they hiding their guns? graham4anything Dec 2012 #5

Doesn't Mr LaPierre want a list like this of people with mental illness? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #6

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #7

Not exactly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #50

Two wrongs DO make a right. chatcat11 Dec 2012 #8

The main problem with this Warpy Dec 2012 #9

That is my concern. Lasher Dec 2012 #10

Any burglar who uses this as gospel Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #13

Yes, there are surely more homes with guns. Lasher Dec 2012 #14

It's true it could go very bad for the burglar... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #59

Isn't that what the NRA wants? Sancho Dec 2012 #18

It's foolish to put up signs like that. Lasher Dec 2012 #20

If the excuse for having a handgun is personal protection . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #11

Many of those against this are also safeinOhio Dec 2012 #15

I think a wide swath of people are against this, Quantess Dec 2012 #17

Good idea...is there an app for my GPS? Sancho Dec 2012 #16

First Amendment vs Second Amendment. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #19

Where does privacy fit into your concept of rights? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #23

Right where it is stated safeinOhio Dec 2012 #24

Public Record Information is *NOT* private. LooseWilly Dec 2012 #62

What happens when the press is bias? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #92

At first I was outraged about this customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #21

That's a little over the top. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #25

Hey, thirty years ago customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #81

An effective arguement against registration pipoman Dec 2012 #22

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51

how is non-violent mental illness anyone's business? samsingh Dec 2012 #28

As someone who prefers not to be around guns...this map is useful to me. Walk away Dec 2012 #29

Is that why some people run from the cops? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34

What a pathetic response to my post. I can hardly wait to ignore you! Walk away Dec 2012 #72

If This Was Detroit or Chicago - The White Folks Would Cheer otohara Dec 2012 #30

The Second Amendment doesn't guarantee secercy. catbyte Dec 2012 #31

How would people feel about a map of persons infected with hepatitis? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #33

Or SARS. Robb Dec 2012 #38

HIPAA makes that illegal RomneyLies Dec 2012 #42

But according to a post above gun ownership is a mental illness. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #45

But according to some idiot on the internet, Obama is Hitler RomneyLies Dec 2012 #58

Rebecca Shaeffer was murdered in 1989 by a stalker who got her address from the California DMV slackmaster Dec 2012 #35

Or stop licensing drivers. Robb Dec 2012 #36

That almost makes sense. California, like most states, does not require a license to own a firearm. slackmaster Dec 2012 #37

Well, a car's a big responsibility. Robb Dec 2012 #39

Simply owning a car, not so much. Driving it on public roads is everyone's business. slackmaster Dec 2012 #40

Toddlers accidentally go driving a lot. Robb Dec 2012 #44

Put gun registration and DMV registration in the same department. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #43

That is a chilling thought slackmaster Dec 2012 #47

I'd sell my guns and buy a bus pass. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #49

I commend the paper for this action RomneyLies Dec 2012 #41

The paper didn't do it as a public service, or in pursuit of some moral high ground slackmaster Dec 2012 #46

A paper does EVERYTHING for profit. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #57

You can do the same map w/ voter ID Nevernose Dec 2012 #48

This can set people up for theft, or worse. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #53

Yipes! This is where I live! dorkzilla Dec 2012 #54

The good news is there is no permit required to buy a rifle or a shotgun. slackmaster Dec 2012 #65

that makes me feel so much better (not)! dorkzilla Dec 2012 #66

No, about half of your neighbors have REGISTERED handguns. It's the ones who have UNREGISTERED... slackmaster Dec 2012 #68

Why? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #73

OK, I have to admit I am not familiar with NY law slackmaster Dec 2012 #75

You could be right... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #79

It seems even California is more "gun friendly" than New York slackmaster Dec 2012 #80

A warning for those who think it is a good idea to publish the names and addresses of gun owners: .. spin Dec 2012 #55

Bzzt. Criminals would target your neighbors kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #61

Not all criminals have the same MO. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #64

Let's see if you can figure out which is much MUCH more likely to happen to you: kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #69

You're preaching to the choir. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #70

Some might. Others would chose your home. ... spin Dec 2012 #67

One reason this argument fails: not everybody is as paranoid about "criminals targetting their home" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #129

You have every right to make decisions about your own home security just as I do. ... spin Dec 2012 #139

So apparently Mr. Worley is a gun owner himself TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #56

Cost/Benefit of this sarisataka Dec 2012 #60

The anti's "legitimate rape" moment. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #76

I've noticed several replies in the various threads in which people who live in those counties... slackmaster Dec 2012 #78

"the self-righteous overplay their hand" Quantess Dec 2012 #84

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #85

I'd bet money there are names missing from that map. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #86

I'd bet money you were wrong. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #108

I thought people were "proud" gun owners alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #93

The whining is remarkable, isn't it? CTyankee Dec 2012 #95

I don't care about "responsible" gun owners; I want to see accountable gun owners alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #98

Just as with responsible gun ownership, the first amendment should be used responsibly. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #99

In your opinion, what is the equivalent here of "verbal and Facebook bullying'? CTyankee Dec 2012 #100

Stereotype? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #97

I'd like a map like that for my area abelenkpe Dec 2012 #103

Like you're going to know everyone on some kind of list? randome Dec 2012 #105

Of course I woulldn't know everyone abelenkpe Dec 2012 #121

Post #35 above is a good reason against bulk publishing of info, even if it is public. randome Dec 2012 #125

Yeah abelenkpe Dec 2012 #130

The whole thing is a smear by the Journal News. Read the article and editorial that accompany... slackmaster Dec 2012 #131

What? Believe that gun owners are a danger to the community? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #132

A news organization attempting to make news instead of reporting it. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #107

That I believe! nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #133

The true believers libodem Dec 2012 #110

I wonder if attitudes would change if they posted a map of those with Medical Marijuana licenses. nt hughee99 Dec 2012 #134

Yes, or whatever else someone Jim Warren Dec 2012 #137

People are more than willing to give up the right to privacy, hughee99 Dec 2012 #141

+1 Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #143