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In reply to the discussion: I wish the President would just stay on vacation until January 1st... [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)47. Lawrence O'Donnell has a tutorial on it every night
Howard Dean speaks on it frequently
Here is an example
HOWARD DEAN: I make the argument that going off the as you call it the curb, I call it the slope, the press calls it the cliff, is actually the best deal progressive Democrats are going to get. And heres why. One, we get the Clinton tax rates on everybody. Will it cause a problem? Yes. There will be a short recession, and it will be painful. But two, we get defense cuts. Republicans are never going to agree to that. And three, there are some human services cuts, which were not going to like. But its the least possible damage.
Now what do we get in exchange? A serious down payment of the deficit. The Wall Street people, who wringing their hands of this, are really full of it because what theyre going to see is a big drop on Wall Street while all the hype comes and then its going to be roaring back because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit.
So, I think the fiscal curb, as you call it, is the best deal that progressive Democrats are going to get. And I think its the best deal in the long run, not the short run.
Over the next two weeks the markets are going to be punishing the Republicans with a 15-20% reduction in market value.
Obama took the debt ceiling out of the equation and put the defense department on the table.
He has the Republicans between a rock and a hard place.
Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that the strategy isn't there.
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I wish the President would just stay on vacation until January 1st... [View all]
kentuck
Dec 2012
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Not that the outcome will be much different for cutting the Pentagon's budget, but it should be!
Dustlawyer
Dec 2012
#1
I do agree with you. I think this fiscal cliff thing is another manufactured crisis. n/t
Cleita
Dec 2012
#2
If in fact he was "too eager" he would, by definition, already have agreed to a deal.
grantcart
Dec 2012
#3
You mean 'anti-policy' posts. If Obama has not put SS on the table then these
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#29
it's a game. Obama roped the dopes again, 9 steps ahead. No one plays it better
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#30
millions of people are concerned about the snow/ice storm tonight...I don't hear anyone caring
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#34
If you don't see how Obama got the supreme advantage by eliminating debt ceiling
grantcart
Dec 2012
#32
I agree with Dean. Go over the phony cliff. Everything he says there is true.
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#57
All Obama had to do then, and now is NOTHING, and taxes would rise on the wealthy.
grahamhgreen
Dec 2012
#52
Elizabeth is not there yet! Seems "O" wants to do it before a few progressives arrive...
SugarShack
Dec 2012
#25
Do you really think this is about one politician? This is about cuts to SS that will
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#41
The only result one is likely to get when trying to appease a poisonous viper is
indepat
Dec 2012
#45