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grantcart

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47. Lawrence O'Donnell has a tutorial on it every night
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:20 PM
Dec 2012

Howard Dean speaks on it frequently

Here is an example




HOWARD DEAN: I make the argument that going off the — as you call it the curb, I call it the slope, the press calls it the cliff, is actually the best deal progressive Democrats are going to get. And here’s why. One, we get the Clinton tax rates on everybody. Will it cause a problem? Yes. There will be a short recession, and it will be painful. But two, we get defense cuts. Republicans are never going to agree to that. And three, there are some human services cuts, which we’re not going to like. But it’s the least possible damage.

Now what do we get in exchange? A serious down payment of the deficit. The Wall Street people, who wringing their hands of this, are really full of it because what they’re going to see is a big drop on Wall Street while all the hype comes and then it’s going to be roaring back because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit.

So, I think the fiscal curb, as you call it, is the best deal that progressive Democrats are going to get. And I think it’s the best deal in the long run, not the short run.




Over the next two weeks the markets are going to be punishing the Republicans with a 15-20% reduction in market value.

Obama took the debt ceiling out of the equation and put the defense department on the table.

He has the Republicans between a rock and a hard place.

Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that the strategy isn't there.

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Not that the outcome will be much different for cutting the Pentagon's budget, but it should be! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #1
More than one way daybranch Dec 2012 #12
I do agree with you. I think this fiscal cliff thing is another manufactured crisis. n/t Cleita Dec 2012 #2
If in fact he was "too eager" he would, by definition, already have agreed to a deal. grantcart Dec 2012 #3
And the breathless DU prediction during the debt JoePhilly Dec 2012 #4
Tax cuts extended for the rich lark Dec 2012 #13
As a candidte in 2008, Obama made 2 promise about taxes. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #22
He did. There was nothing breathless about it, he gave them the extension sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #28
So I guess Obama wanted the tax cut extensions? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #9
Reality is way too inconvenient. merrily Dec 2012 #16
See my post #22 on the tax cut extensions. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #23
How many anti-Obama posts are you going to write? graham4anything Dec 2012 #26
You mean 'anti-policy' posts. If Obama has not put SS on the table then these sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #29
it's a game. Obama roped the dopes again, 9 steps ahead. No one plays it better graham4anything Dec 2012 #30
Again, I will ask for the umpteenth time. Please explain this game to me sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #33
millions of people are concerned about the snow/ice storm tonight...I don't hear anyone caring graham4anything Dec 2012 #34
You still haven't explained the game you claim is being played, the strategy sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #35
You are correct, Sabrina... kentuck Dec 2012 #38
Save your typing, sabrina Doctor_J Dec 2012 #40
When he vocally supports ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS Doctor_J Dec 2012 #43
If you don't see how Obama got the supreme advantage by eliminating debt ceiling grantcart Dec 2012 #32
You have never wasted time explaining this brilliant strategy which you keep sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #36
Lawrence O'Donnell has a tutorial on it every night grantcart Dec 2012 #47
I agree with Dean. Go over the phony cliff. Everything he says there is true. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #57
All Obama had to do then, and now is NOTHING, and taxes would rise on the wealthy. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #52
many will agree too! Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #5
Agreed, bkz Obama with Geithner as his wingman are hardly the Dems A team stuffmatters Dec 2012 #6
The Third Way took over the Democratic Party after Clinton's election. merrily Dec 2012 #18
It seems like something/someone is pressuring him to cave in this week Doctor_J Dec 2012 #7
Elizabeth Warren stuffmatters Dec 2012 #14
I think it is truthful to say... kentuck Dec 2012 #20
Elizabeth is not there yet! Seems "O" wants to do it before a few progressives arrive... SugarShack Dec 2012 #25
Obama gave Liz the job. Like duh. graham4anything Dec 2012 #39
Perhaps it's the devil? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #53
That doesn't narrow it down much Doctor_J Dec 2012 #54
Of what year?..........nft plethoro Dec 2012 #8
I hope he stays on vacation until JoeyT Dec 2012 #10
I'm with you. nt MzShellG Dec 2012 #17
I do think that the so-called "optics" of an extended Skidmore Dec 2012 #11
a big dog and pony show datasuspect Dec 2012 #15
actuallly it is the 20% who gets theirs hfojvt Dec 2012 #21
he is all too eager to give trillions in tax cuts to the rich hfojvt Dec 2012 #19
agree Faryn Balyncd Dec 2012 #24
We get it. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2012 #27
Cutting SS is not to my liking no matter who does it. We did not elect sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #31
Why come back DevonRex Dec 2012 #37
Do you really think this is about one politician? This is about cuts to SS that will sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #41
20/20 vision and walking around blind (hillbilly) kentuck Dec 2012 #42
I think he's returning to the mainland because of G H W Bush's malaise Dec 2012 #44
The only result one is likely to get when trying to appease a poisonous viper is indepat Dec 2012 #45
agree watch the sky Dec 2012 #46
+1. robinlynne Dec 2012 #48
I wish he would just stay on vacation. aardvark401 Dec 2012 #49
I'm sure you do.. too Bad for you that Obama Cha Dec 2012 #50
Go away. kentuck Dec 2012 #56
No disagreement from me, the Clown Congress Warpy Dec 2012 #51
I wish he would make them an offer Doctor_J Dec 2012 #55
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