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Ruby the Liberal

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110. Once, I had a dream that someone grabbed my cat

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:38 PM

Dec 2012

and in the dream, I found him as he was getting ready to physically torture her. That mental image is as clear in my mind as if it was reality (still makes me shudder) - and I can assure you, just as I will retch and vomit upon coming across stories of animal abuse, I am equally capable of going medieval on some asshole upon witnessing it. Sitting here today, I can assure you that I would have no hesitation. Wish I didn't have it in me, but I do. Not talking about CIA/Intelligence type work - I am referring to stopping an attack in process. Hell, I can't even watch ASPCA commercials and deleted Sheryl Crow's Arms of an Angel from my music library because of how much of a trigger it is for me.

Shooting someone is would give me no relief, much less pleasure, but if I came upon someone harming an animal or child (think Sandusky in the shower with a 10 year old), I would swing a bat and worry about the implications of it later.

You can color me psychotic. Thank God I have never been in the situation where my adrenaline is running the show.

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OK...the million dollar question. Why would you want to kill someone? [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

easy question you kill someone to save yourself or someone else from death or serious injury loli phabay Dec 2012 #1

And you are saying this is a good thing? Taverner Dec 2012 #4

yes its a good thing if you kill someone to protect others loli phabay Dec 2012 #13

I think he's going to the sense of tragedy in "having" to kill someone that is absent in most Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #179

You resolve your feelings before you put yourself in the position. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #201

in a life or death confrontation i am happy if someone dies as long as its the other guy loli phabay Dec 2012 #208

Used to? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #168

Who says we've actually crawled out of the swamp? Wouldn't appear so n/t condoleeza Dec 2012 #83

pretty much evolution does or do you still think we are single cell creatures loli phabay Dec 2012 #89

Jury is out on that one condoleeza Dec 2012 #92

I don't think it's the right question because underthematrix Dec 2012 #130

I ran over a squirrel once and couldn't sleep for three days. tridim Dec 2012 #2

Me too. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #70

Had to drown a gerbil condoleeza Dec 2012 #84

You win. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #95

It's one of those moments you never forget, Ruby condoleeza Dec 2012 #154

Poor baby...thank you for helping it out of prolonged pain lunasun Dec 2012 #178

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #158

I would imagine it would be a lot pintobean Dec 2012 #3

If someone tried to break into my house and I had a gun (which I don't), RebelOne Dec 2012 #5

You may say that now. Taverner Dec 2012 #9

Honestly? "Sorry for your luck". Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #72

So who did all those Newtown first graders Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #80

Perhaps I missed something. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #91

I think you just think so.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #101

Once, I had a dream that someone grabbed my cat Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #110

No, I don't think you are the least bit psychotic.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #120

I honestly believe that if ever confronted with it live and in person, Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #122

You're a good person Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #128

LOL! Glad to know you would volunteer. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #132

But of course... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #137

"Did we just kill a kid?" he asked the man sitting next to him. green for victory Dec 2012 #159

This has nothing to do with the Newtown kids. RebelOne Dec 2012 #100

I think people who believe they can kill and be indifferent to it Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #103

Thank you. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #99

The mind boggles, sister. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #114

The mother didn't raise them right. Confusious Dec 2012 #94

"If you beat that man to death to stop him from raping you, whatever will you say to his mother"? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #111

+3 :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #118

He's aiming for the greatest page, no matter how asinine a statement must be made. X_Digger Dec 2012 #126

Hes got 7 recs to go for that, and Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #131

It has to be a caricature. (At least I fervently hope so.) X_Digger Dec 2012 #135

Happy Boxing Day to you as well! Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #138

Yes, I would say to that mother that she must've done a really shitty job. Bake Dec 2012 #214

What if it was a drunk neighbor thinking it was his house? jberryhill Dec 2012 #46

No. He has no business breaking into my home. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #169

"illegally breaking in" jberryhill Dec 2012 #172

Confused break in is still illegal, and will be shot. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #173

A legal scholar you are not jberryhill Dec 2012 #183

You are the one who is not a legal scholar. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #188

You fail to recognize the circular argument you are making jberryhill Dec 2012 #192

"Breaking and entering" then. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #194

Like I said, believe what you want jberryhill Dec 2012 #196

Read the law: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #203

That story is tragic Jenoch Dec 2012 #174

Jesus, you people don't read the daily drumbeat of this stuff jberryhill Dec 2012 #184

+1 cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #187

as I understand it, even military personnel have problems zbdent Dec 2012 #6

According to my dad, who was a soldier and a cop SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #18

"with that FIRST kill." Whovian Dec 2012 #26

Unfortunately, I think so Taverner Dec 2012 #28

wow ... I really don't know where you're going with that one ... zbdent Dec 2012 #69

want to =/= have to Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #7

I understand the logic behind it Taverner Dec 2012 #23

I think we're probably very similar in that regard. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #82

Seriously...... charlyvi Dec 2012 #8

DU is full of stories from gun nuts who "defended their family with their glock" Taverner Dec 2012 #11

Not kicking down the door, but you can hear someone breaking in, if you're awake. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #17

FULL of stories? Simple. Hyperbolic. Bullshit. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #34

Prove to me that these stories are true. Taverner Dec 2012 #35

I must be blind. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #53

Yeah, they never tell you the guy kicking the door was someone they knew... hunter Dec 2012 #75

I've been on DU for several years and have read pipoman Dec 2012 #78

I have posted about my wife scaring away a would-be mugger. No shots fired. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #170

I don't own guns or any of that. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #10

If you are a good person, and you kill someone and feel nothing...you are not a good person Taverner Dec 2012 #12

I didn't say I wouldn't feel anything. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #25

So would you tell his/her mother that their kid was worthless? Taverner Dec 2012 #33

Truth is ugly. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #64

The OP doesn't give a fraction of a damn what you said. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #38

No, I took every word for what it was....nt Taverner Dec 2012 #42

Yeah. But I have a penchant for attempting the impossible. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #77

Why? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #81

I've heard you don't know how it feels to kill someone until you do it. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #14

Nah, it's just like in the Rambo movies! Taverner Dec 2012 #31

What I find amazing is SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #15

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #19

Roger That - The Culture Of Death And Gun Enablers Have Debased America Significantly cantbeserious Dec 2012 #209

Amen To That. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #212

So it's not ok for law enforcement to kill criminals in their defense or the defense of others? jal777 Dec 2012 #16

If you felt nothing, then you just discovered you're a closet sociopath Taverner Dec 2012 #20

Wow... jal777 Dec 2012 #27

Yes. Yes I am. If you kill someone in the process, and you don't feel anything... Taverner Dec 2012 #30

Ok I would feel something. It's called recoil.... jal777 Dec 2012 #55

Because I would only be able to kill sir pball Dec 2012 #21

Not an absolute pacifist Taverner Dec 2012 #29

And now the shark is jumped with room to spare cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #22

If you have a gun and never asked yourself this question, you have no business with one Taverner Dec 2012 #24

I understand and agree. jp76 Dec 2012 #163

No shit. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #32

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #37

You need to take a few deep breaths. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #48

You need to try and get some empathy... Taverner Dec 2012 #50

It's not a joke to discuss what the SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #51

You may have been taken in by the OP cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #90

imo that one has been on the other side of the tank Union Scribe Dec 2012 #146

I would kill someone only to save something that I was willing to die for slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

That is very different than killing whomever enters a home Taverner Dec 2012 #40

That's fine. No reason to kill someone who doesn't pose a real threat. slackmaster Dec 2012 #44

Why the hell are you assuming Jenoch Dec 2012 #136

Because lots of DUers claim that is exactly what they would do. ieoeja Dec 2012 #171

I do not believe the majority Jenoch Dec 2012 #175

There is a huge difference between "accidentally blundered" and "breaking and entering". GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #191

We don't get many occupied burglaries ANYWHERE. ieoeja Dec 2012 #200

Not blood thirsty. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #206

A good person kills to protect themselves and their loved ones Taitertots Dec 2012 #39

Why kill when you can stop? Taverner Dec 2012 #41

Come on, bats only work in gang fights. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #56

Hide in a spot, when they come near, swing to the knees Taverner Dec 2012 #58

Sometimes that works, sometimes that doesn't ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #98

I saw a post the other day advocating playing darts... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #129

Because I think the idea that you are going to stop a determined attacker with a bat is foolish Taitertots Dec 2012 #62

And if the bat didn't work? atreides1 Dec 2012 #87

My late wife killed a home invader who had a gun on me many years ago ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #43

Did you ever meet the mother of the murdered? Taverner Dec 2012 #45

Why do say "the murdered"? That was not "murder". (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #66

That poster has been on a hypebole high for quite some time ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #107

Whether your wife killed him or murdered him he's still just as dead, isn't he? TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #112

The word 'murder' always means unjustifiable homicide cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #115

Yes, but the justification of the murder is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #121

The correct term is homicide, not murder ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #123

It was not murder, it was homicide ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #124

No one was murdered, and they met and talked for awhile. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #96

You wouldn't shoot someone to save your child? dkf Dec 2012 #47

I would but who says I would want them dead? Taverner Dec 2012 #52

So you would take a chance you don't stop them to save your conscience? dkf Dec 2012 #86

He appears to be a trick-shot artist cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #97

Dude got kicked off the thread. Too bad. dkf Dec 2012 #144

You sleep very well at night in that case jmowreader Dec 2012 #49

When you kill someone you become a different person after. Robb Dec 2012 #54

+10000 Taverner Dec 2012 #59

It's a fairly ridiculous question. Jenoch Dec 2012 #57

I don't know if I could Flatpicker Dec 2012 #60

How do they sleep at night? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #61

I am no fan of guns Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #63

Turn the tables Taverner cbrer Dec 2012 #65

His solution to this would be to hide and hit the killer in the knee or he would become a sociopath jal777 Dec 2012 #71

It is not something one takes lightly, but I would not lose sleep over it The Straight Story Dec 2012 #67

I have never wanted to kill anybody PD Turk Dec 2012 #68

You correctly focus on the offensive "want" cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #102

I wrote this down this week- "Can barbarism eliminate barbarism?" Gregorian Dec 2012 #73

Lots of people have killed... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #74

Spoken like a neighborhood watchman. Robb Dec 2012 #76

Spoken like someone... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #108

Sure you have, tiger. Robb Dec 2012 #113

Classy... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #125

You may live in a black and white world Peregrine Dec 2012 #79

In real life, one can't foretell the future. Gregorian Dec 2012 #85

I would try everything I could to stop him. And if that didn't work, yeah renie408 Dec 2012 #105

Several years ago in the Twin Cities Jenoch Dec 2012 #141

If they're trying to kill me. baldguy Dec 2012 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author man4allcats Dec 2012 #93

If it was a horde of crazy hippies on meth who were trying to hurt me or my family... renie408 Dec 2012 #104

The cop who took out exboyfil Dec 2012 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #109

Tough question... smccarter Dec 2012 #116

I would never want to kill anyone. rrneck Dec 2012 #117

I thought about that, and that's why I'll probably never own a gun ecstatic Dec 2012 #119

Just keep in mind that police are not personal security and are not obligated to render aid. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #145

So what you are basically saying HockeyMom Dec 2012 #202

At the Columbine shooting the police were of little help. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #204

My point was nothing of the kind, I am not fixated on one scenario with every thought revolving TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #216

Who says I do? (Want to kill someone..) X_Digger Dec 2012 #127

I was stuck on an elevator with Karl Rove and... valerief Dec 2012 #133

I don't have any stories about defending my family with a gun... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #134

Would probably sleep better than if I failed to defend my family RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #139

For a million dollars and the right person I may do it n/t doc03 Dec 2012 #140

Why would you want to allow yourself or a loved one to die? Would you sleep better THEN? jmg257 Dec 2012 #142

Why would you want to allow a "horde of crazy hippies on meth and PCP" rl6214 Dec 2012 #143

You know what, Tav, I'm going to make an example of you for this. flvegan Dec 2012 #147

just to watch him die Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #148

caught her messin' around with another man arely staircase Dec 2012 #211

Who would really "want" to kill anyone, or anything? beevul Dec 2012 #149

I've seen a lot of death and horrid shit in my life HEyHEY Dec 2012 #150

Oh shit! JVS Dec 2012 #151

HAAAAAAAA!!!!! HEyHEY Dec 2012 #152

I'm ok. JVS Dec 2012 #153

I will protect my family! In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #155

Having been in positions where I killed people and then failed to kill someone I should have Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #156

Kicking because I know at least one DUer who has been in multiple shootouts zappaman Dec 2012 #157

Do you mean "want to" or "would" easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #160

A lot of people could not kill marions ghost Dec 2012 #161

Big Difference Between HAVING To Kill And LOOKING FORWARD To Killing. Paladin Dec 2012 #162

You're going to die early in the Zombie Apocalypse NeedleCast Dec 2012 #164

If they added an i to your name? tavernier Dec 2012 #165

Some folks just need killin' Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #166

Why? To stop him from killing or badly hurting me. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #167

Killing someone feels like shit Nevernose Dec 2012 #176

there are some in the gungeon that believe it is ok to kill someone DrDan Dec 2012 #177

And you've done nothing but WASTE one more opportunity to honestly address your authentic patrice Dec 2012 #180

I never WANT to kill anyone sarisataka Dec 2012 #181

I would never want to do that. However, BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #182

why? Maine-ah Dec 2012 #185

Never would I want to riqster Dec 2012 #186

Let's get this straight. No non-psychopathic/sociopathic person "wants" to kill anyone ever nachosgrande Dec 2012 #189

Million Dollar Answer: "Because I had shitty parents" stlsaxman Dec 2012 #190

People actually responded to that steaming pile? 99Forever Dec 2012 #193

My husband said this same thing ellie Dec 2012 #195

Please transfer the million electronically. LWolf Dec 2012 #197

If I were in genuine fear for my life, I'd be prepared to use lethal force to defend myself. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #198

Soundly. H2O Man Dec 2012 #199

There is no crime......... Jim Warren Dec 2012 #205

I don't think I completely understand your post DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #207

well there is the old time machine/kill hitler scenario arely staircase Dec 2012 #210

Oh good lord. Bake Dec 2012 #213

If someone's trying to harm me, I AIN'T WORRYIN' ABOUT HIS MOTHER, PAL. THAT'S HIS CONCERN. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #215