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74. Don't even pretend there has been any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of criminals

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:34 PM

Dec 2012

in this country because that is a complete lie. The NRA does everything in their power to make sure criminals maintain a steady supply of weapons. That is why they refuse to allow background checks on private sales.

The gun lobby refuses to allow universal background checks and they work assiduously against a database on guns. The ONLY reason to do that is to protect criminals, who are regular customers of the gun industry. They don't give a fuck about human life. If dead children create profits, that's a win for them. Quit carrying the water for the most evil element in American society--the NRA and the gun lobby. 70% of the NRA's own membership wants background checks on all weapons. There is NO reason for a law abiding American to oppose such a measure. It's time for responsible gun owners to stop protecting criminals, terrorists and their NRA champions.

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Why anti-gun laws will never work in US [View all] golfguru Dec 2012 OP

Good point! Turbineguy Dec 2012 #1

Not to mention the government's track record is quite poor when it comes to banning things davidn3600 Dec 2012 #2

I challenge anyone aardvark401 Dec 2012 #110

All or nothing? sellitman Dec 2012 #130

chloro flurocarbons wilt the stilt Dec 2012 #157

Nah, now it's just the outlaws who have chloro flourocarbons. EOTE Dec 2012 #164

Yep... 99Forever Dec 2012 #3

Where to start? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4

Not sure what this has to do with the OP... zappaman Dec 2012 #5

"Trained historian"! cleanhippie Dec 2012 #136

My best friend is a 5th generation American golfguru Dec 2012 #32

They were in colonial times nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #36

and I have no way to refute your splendid knowledge of history. golfguru Dec 2012 #48

What works is not more guns nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #53

"There are these things called books...I am sure you have heard of them" zappaman Dec 2012 #137

Talking Point of the Day, "We can't change anything, so let's give up!!!" Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #6

So we should pass legislation just so we can say we tried? davidn3600 Dec 2012 #7

What? It's better to give up and say mass shootings of kids is fine Lex Dec 2012 #8

Motor vehicle accidents kill more kids than guns davidn3600 Dec 2012 #18

Really? zappaman Dec 2012 #19

Precisely. It's an "accident" when cars kill people. Guns are designed for one goal Lex Dec 2012 #21

Not everyone thinks of a gun in that way davidn3600 Dec 2012 #25

No I'm not proposing to ban all guns. I do know other countries have had success Lex Dec 2012 #41

One of the first rational posts I've read on this subject in days... EnviroBat Dec 2012 #123

Not to put too fine of a point on it... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #155

Thanks! I am going start riding an AR-15 to work starting next week! XRubicon Dec 2012 #49

You could probably ride a GAU-8 to work... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #58

Amazing... guns as transportation. What will they think of next. XRubicon Dec 2012 #66

Yes, actually. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #69

What are the odds. wow. XRubicon Dec 2012 #73

Mechanical engineer OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #77

ahhhh, weapons are your business. so you personally profit more with less regulations bettyellen Dec 2012 #88

Umm, I am not in the personal weapons business. Sorry to dissapoint. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #92

Actually gun deaths are tracking passing car deaths which is extraordinary MightyMopar Dec 2012 #95

Mass shootings of kids is impossible in this place and has not happened since golfguru Dec 2012 #23

RW talking point divorced from reality nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #24

Not wise to dismiss something that actually works as RW talking points golfguru Dec 2012 #56

Because it is nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59

You might want to read this about Israel neverforget Dec 2012 #33

Correct, those armed guards were instituted to protect against terrorists golfguru Dec 2012 #52

Alas they don't post these armed guards nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #55

Please let me hear your solution to IMMEDIATELY protect school children from golfguru Dec 2012 #60

Well the gun show loophole nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #62

I'd like a cite for that. beevul Dec 2012 #101

Look at ALEC legislation nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #102

Uh yeah, except you said "the NRA is trying to restore gun rights to convicted felons", not... beevul Dec 2012 #113

Except the NRA and Alec ave been working on loosening nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #115

Well, I guess that excuses you from backing up what you said... beevul Dec 2012 #124

Yup I guess the media made this up nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #127

When called on bullshit, moving the goalposts is an excellent option! zappaman Dec 2012 #139

Oh and here you go nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #140

I believe you said "is trying to...", not "tried twelve plus years ago to...". beevul Dec 2012 #141

Look, loosening of gun laws is happening nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #142

I didn't say the loosening of gun laws wasn't happening. beevul Dec 2012 #143

How about these... billh58 Dec 2012 #151

Resurrected recriminations from over a decade ago. beevul Dec 2012 #158

Just as I suspected, point-by-point billh58 Dec 2012 #159

Typical. beevul Dec 2012 #160

More bile from the NRA... billh58 Dec 2012 #161

Snort. beevul Dec 2012 #162

Oh horseshit Bubba, I just proved that billh58 Dec 2012 #165

LOL. I didn't lie about anything. beevul Dec 2012 #166

Right Bubba. billh58 Dec 2012 #170

Yup, right. beevul Dec 2012 #172

Here you go Bubba billh58 Dec 2012 #173

Why thanks. beevul Dec 2012 #174

I fully understand what billh58 Dec 2012 #180

Speaking of teachers, please educate yourself before sharing. libdem4life Dec 2012 #37

Please educate yourself about Israel's gun laws. Israel bans assault rifles. Lex Dec 2012 #42

I have never posted anything in favor of assault rifles golfguru Dec 2012 #63

It was the remark about Israel that Lex Dec 2012 #70

Do you get double time if you post on a Holiday? XRubicon Dec 2012 #51

I am on permanent holiday lol golfguru Dec 2012 #61

Or give up and accept mass shootings as the new normal nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #10

Straw Man. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Dec 2012 #15

Not just that, it's historically inaccurate. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #9

This part got me... Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #14

I know. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #16

My current memo is DO SOMETHING QUICK golfguru Dec 2012 #34

Seriously! This is the third post today with the same lame NRA talking point. They're out in force Squinch Dec 2012 #35

Lots of NRA talking points showing up on our forum. sellitman Dec 2012 #131

It might take 50 years to have an impact, but doing nothing will just put more on street. Hoyt Dec 2012 #12

Do you really want to wait 50 years? golfguru Dec 2012 #26

Why don't you ask the teachers if they wish to be armed? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #31

I don't think teachers should be armed. I suspect most don't either. Hoyt Dec 2012 #39

My wife is a teacher and she and many of her coworkers would gladly be armed rl6214 Dec 2012 #108

Spouses of Denizens from Gungeon excepted. Would you give up your guns, if you thought it would Hoyt Dec 2012 #117

Would you give someone a gun for protection if you knew it would save their life? rl6214 Dec 2012 #144

I doubt you can come up with plausible scenario like that, but gun cultists obviously aren't Hoyt Dec 2012 #146

I agree on limiting ammo, assault weapons, large cartridges, etc. n/t golfguru Dec 2012 #65

Uh, actually teachers in Israel billh58 Dec 2012 #64

Just since the election there may be 100 million more on the street rl6214 Dec 2012 #107

I notice you and your gungeon buddies aren't posting your monthly celebration of more guns Hoyt Dec 2012 #118

I never have but you will lump anyone and everyone one into any group rl6214 Dec 2012 #145

Certain assumptions apply. moondust Dec 2012 #13

Please read my post above #26 n/t golfguru Dec 2012 #28

It won't work because gun nuts think they control the conversation Taverner Dec 2012 #17

I have a gun for protection. I would be more easily persuaded to give it up IF.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #20

Hear hear from all the females in US golfguru Dec 2012 #29

And what about all the women thucythucy Dec 2012 #40

Exactly....because the victims did not have access to the great equalizer golfguru Dec 2012 #67

I think you missed the point. thucythucy Dec 2012 #121

I'm totally in agreement...... Isoldeblue Dec 2012 #83

I grow weary of 'it can't be done.' Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2012 #22

Welcome to DU nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #27

Incidentally, I do not own a gun golfguru Dec 2012 #30

Look at it another way. Glassunion Dec 2012 #38

I concur 100% with your points golfguru Dec 2012 #46

The trick is keeping guns out of their hands in the first place. Glassunion Dec 2012 #68

I vote your post as the most rational, most logical, most practical on this thread golfguru Dec 2012 #75

A longer view on where I stand. Glassunion Dec 2012 #86

You know why? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #76

I hear you. Glassunion Dec 2012 #82

Good nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #84

Glad to hear it. Glassunion Dec 2012 #89

We are both fighting something, and we need to do the car show nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #90

Good luck with the car show and feel better. Glassunion Dec 2012 #93

And I got a flu shot this year nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #98

I never get flu shots any more. Glassunion Dec 2012 #99

I'm sure it had nothing to do with anti-gun ideologues being nominated for the position. beevul Dec 2012 #103

Of course, anybody enforcing the laws nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #104

Except nobody other than you said that. beevul Dec 2012 #114

Hum hum, if a gunny says such. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #116

Uh huh. beevul Dec 2012 #125

Is this stupid or what? David Gregory investigated for DC gun laws!! golfguru Dec 2012 #43

Read tmz and politico update on this. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #45

Australia did it. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #44

Yes, Australia did it. If they did it, we could, too. If we have the will. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #97

You should stick to golf XRubicon Dec 2012 #47

The result of this line of thinking billh58 Dec 2012 #50

so golfguru Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #54

Why do we pass laws against murder when people murder anyway. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #57

That is true...you just proved that laws do not stop lawlessness golfguru Dec 2012 #71

We pass laws to set a clear limit of what is and is not acceptable to maintain public safety. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #78

and I agree with all of that golfguru Dec 2012 #81

Nobody from the President to Congress or the Senate have called for banning all guns. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #85

we have illegal firearms for sale because that's how the NRA wants it BainsBane Dec 2012 #72

Screw NRA...and this will be my last post tonight...it is nearly bed time. golfguru Dec 2012 #79

Your point is that gun control is pointless BainsBane Dec 2012 #91

Don't even pretend there has been any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of criminals BainsBane Dec 2012 #74

I am perfectly fine with thorough background checks golfguru Dec 2012 #80

Too bad BainsBane Dec 2012 #87

Uh...what? beevul Dec 2012 #109

The most vulnerable to gun violence are poorer females who live in golfguru Dec 2012 #126

300,000,000? OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #94

Anit-gun laws...rofl! Rex Dec 2012 #96

Stringent gun laws that are actually enforced will work. jmg257 Dec 2012 #100

But it can't be done by the end of the year, so any attempts to do so are useless. RC Dec 2012 #111

Can't argue against that...your key words are "if enforced" golfguru Dec 2012 #128

Defeatist bullshit. If we can get 50% off the street, let's do it. 30%, it is worth it. morningfog Dec 2012 #105

I think we should pass them just to piss off people like yourself. Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #106

Your post is complete nonsense. gulliver Dec 2012 #112

Excellent post! billh58 Dec 2012 #120

It is too soon to talk about gun laws... quaker bill Dec 2012 #119

I will conclude this thread with 3 points... golfguru Dec 2012 #129

Why only children? quaker bill Dec 2012 #132

Until the police do what really needs to be done, golfguru Dec 2012 #133

But wishful thinking is what WE are all about Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #122

You're missing the point - the convicted criminals aren't massacring scores of people at a time. dutchroll Dec 2012 #134

Indeed. nt XRubicon Dec 2012 #135

Thank you for billh58 Dec 2012 #150

australia. spanone Dec 2012 #138

+1. Robb Dec 2012 #168

"good guys" and "bad guys" is a fallacy, non-starter jade3000 Dec 2012 #147

yes and no golfguru Dec 2012 #148

sort of, but what about the future jade3000 Dec 2012 #149

Your scenario is improbable but has a small possibility golfguru Dec 2012 #176

Allow me to fix that title for you. billh58 Dec 2012 #152

Believe he meant: We had terrible public policy;therefore must continue to have it. Disgraceland Dec 2012 #154

I believe collecting guns door to door... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #153

Thank you for your support: billh58 Dec 2012 #156

No need to go door to door - just have designated collections points...maybe at Gun Stores? jmg257 Dec 2012 #163

Imagine buying back all 300 mil guns JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #167

Just to be clear - it is not my plan to buy back 300 million guns. jmg257 Dec 2012 #171

Confiscation? JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #178

Sorry. We tried your way. Robb Dec 2012 #169

With all due respect, Robb... beevul Dec 2012 #175

What percentage of the American population qualifies as "the bad guys?" stopbush Dec 2012 #177

In theory you sound good golfguru Dec 2012 #182

America is a gun culture jambo101 Dec 2012 #179

Just as a reminder billh58 Dec 2012 #181