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TheKentuckian

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145. Just keep in mind that police are not personal security and are not obligated to render aid.

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:41 AM

Dec 2012

In the real world they sometimes don't show up at all or show up too late.

Cops protect the system and property not people. We are functionally on our own and for some that stretches beyond beyond any practical reaction time.

I almost never carry but there have been times when I have had to be in possession of a lot of money for work and I have no qualms about carrying and there are times when I am deep in the country...45-60 from a hospital and I pack then too. If my ass is an hour from care, then HELP is longer save for pure luck. Especially when it may be days or weeks before anyone knows there was a need for any.

There is no such thing as safe, it doesn't exist in this world but you have to stretch your odds the best you can, is my belief. Self defense training and at least non-lethal weaponry should be for everyone, in my opinion.

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OK...the million dollar question. Why would you want to kill someone? [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

easy question you kill someone to save yourself or someone else from death or serious injury loli phabay Dec 2012 #1

And you are saying this is a good thing? Taverner Dec 2012 #4

yes its a good thing if you kill someone to protect others loli phabay Dec 2012 #13

I think he's going to the sense of tragedy in "having" to kill someone that is absent in most Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #179

You resolve your feelings before you put yourself in the position. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #201

in a life or death confrontation i am happy if someone dies as long as its the other guy loli phabay Dec 2012 #208

Used to? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #168

Who says we've actually crawled out of the swamp? Wouldn't appear so n/t condoleeza Dec 2012 #83

pretty much evolution does or do you still think we are single cell creatures loli phabay Dec 2012 #89

Jury is out on that one condoleeza Dec 2012 #92

I don't think it's the right question because underthematrix Dec 2012 #130

I ran over a squirrel once and couldn't sleep for three days. tridim Dec 2012 #2

Me too. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #70

Had to drown a gerbil condoleeza Dec 2012 #84

You win. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #95

It's one of those moments you never forget, Ruby condoleeza Dec 2012 #154

Poor baby...thank you for helping it out of prolonged pain lunasun Dec 2012 #178

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #158

I would imagine it would be a lot pintobean Dec 2012 #3

If someone tried to break into my house and I had a gun (which I don't), RebelOne Dec 2012 #5

You may say that now. Taverner Dec 2012 #9

Honestly? "Sorry for your luck". Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #72

So who did all those Newtown first graders Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #80

Perhaps I missed something. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #91

I think you just think so.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #101

Once, I had a dream that someone grabbed my cat Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #110

No, I don't think you are the least bit psychotic.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #120

I honestly believe that if ever confronted with it live and in person, Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #122

You're a good person Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #128

LOL! Glad to know you would volunteer. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #132

But of course... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #137

"Did we just kill a kid?" he asked the man sitting next to him. green for victory Dec 2012 #159

This has nothing to do with the Newtown kids. RebelOne Dec 2012 #100

I think people who believe they can kill and be indifferent to it Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #103

Thank you. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #99

The mind boggles, sister. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #114

The mother didn't raise them right. Confusious Dec 2012 #94

"If you beat that man to death to stop him from raping you, whatever will you say to his mother"? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #111

+3 :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #118

He's aiming for the greatest page, no matter how asinine a statement must be made. X_Digger Dec 2012 #126

Hes got 7 recs to go for that, and Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #131

It has to be a caricature. (At least I fervently hope so.) X_Digger Dec 2012 #135

Happy Boxing Day to you as well! Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #138

Yes, I would say to that mother that she must've done a really shitty job. Bake Dec 2012 #214

What if it was a drunk neighbor thinking it was his house? jberryhill Dec 2012 #46

No. He has no business breaking into my home. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #169

"illegally breaking in" jberryhill Dec 2012 #172

Confused break in is still illegal, and will be shot. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #173

A legal scholar you are not jberryhill Dec 2012 #183

You are the one who is not a legal scholar. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #188

You fail to recognize the circular argument you are making jberryhill Dec 2012 #192

"Breaking and entering" then. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #194

Like I said, believe what you want jberryhill Dec 2012 #196

Read the law: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #203

That story is tragic Jenoch Dec 2012 #174

Jesus, you people don't read the daily drumbeat of this stuff jberryhill Dec 2012 #184

+1 cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #187

as I understand it, even military personnel have problems zbdent Dec 2012 #6

According to my dad, who was a soldier and a cop SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #18

"with that FIRST kill." Whovian Dec 2012 #26

Unfortunately, I think so Taverner Dec 2012 #28

wow ... I really don't know where you're going with that one ... zbdent Dec 2012 #69

want to =/= have to Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #7

I understand the logic behind it Taverner Dec 2012 #23

I think we're probably very similar in that regard. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #82

Seriously...... charlyvi Dec 2012 #8

DU is full of stories from gun nuts who "defended their family with their glock" Taverner Dec 2012 #11

Not kicking down the door, but you can hear someone breaking in, if you're awake. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #17

FULL of stories? Simple. Hyperbolic. Bullshit. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #34

Prove to me that these stories are true. Taverner Dec 2012 #35

I must be blind. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #53

Yeah, they never tell you the guy kicking the door was someone they knew... hunter Dec 2012 #75

I've been on DU for several years and have read pipoman Dec 2012 #78

I have posted about my wife scaring away a would-be mugger. No shots fired. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #170

I don't own guns or any of that. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #10

If you are a good person, and you kill someone and feel nothing...you are not a good person Taverner Dec 2012 #12

I didn't say I wouldn't feel anything. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #25

So would you tell his/her mother that their kid was worthless? Taverner Dec 2012 #33

Truth is ugly. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #64

The OP doesn't give a fraction of a damn what you said. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #38

No, I took every word for what it was....nt Taverner Dec 2012 #42

Yeah. But I have a penchant for attempting the impossible. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #77

Why? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #81

I've heard you don't know how it feels to kill someone until you do it. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #14

Nah, it's just like in the Rambo movies! Taverner Dec 2012 #31

What I find amazing is SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #15

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #19

Roger That - The Culture Of Death And Gun Enablers Have Debased America Significantly cantbeserious Dec 2012 #209

Amen To That. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #212

So it's not ok for law enforcement to kill criminals in their defense or the defense of others? jal777 Dec 2012 #16

If you felt nothing, then you just discovered you're a closet sociopath Taverner Dec 2012 #20

Wow... jal777 Dec 2012 #27

Yes. Yes I am. If you kill someone in the process, and you don't feel anything... Taverner Dec 2012 #30

Ok I would feel something. It's called recoil.... jal777 Dec 2012 #55

Because I would only be able to kill sir pball Dec 2012 #21

Not an absolute pacifist Taverner Dec 2012 #29

And now the shark is jumped with room to spare cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #22

If you have a gun and never asked yourself this question, you have no business with one Taverner Dec 2012 #24

I understand and agree. jp76 Dec 2012 #163

No shit. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #32

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #37

You need to take a few deep breaths. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #48

You need to try and get some empathy... Taverner Dec 2012 #50

It's not a joke to discuss what the SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #51

You may have been taken in by the OP cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #90

imo that one has been on the other side of the tank Union Scribe Dec 2012 #146

I would kill someone only to save something that I was willing to die for slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

That is very different than killing whomever enters a home Taverner Dec 2012 #40

That's fine. No reason to kill someone who doesn't pose a real threat. slackmaster Dec 2012 #44

Why the hell are you assuming Jenoch Dec 2012 #136

Because lots of DUers claim that is exactly what they would do. ieoeja Dec 2012 #171

I do not believe the majority Jenoch Dec 2012 #175

There is a huge difference between "accidentally blundered" and "breaking and entering". GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #191

We don't get many occupied burglaries ANYWHERE. ieoeja Dec 2012 #200

Not blood thirsty. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #206

A good person kills to protect themselves and their loved ones Taitertots Dec 2012 #39

Why kill when you can stop? Taverner Dec 2012 #41

Come on, bats only work in gang fights. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #56

Hide in a spot, when they come near, swing to the knees Taverner Dec 2012 #58

Sometimes that works, sometimes that doesn't ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #98

I saw a post the other day advocating playing darts... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #129

Because I think the idea that you are going to stop a determined attacker with a bat is foolish Taitertots Dec 2012 #62

And if the bat didn't work? atreides1 Dec 2012 #87

My late wife killed a home invader who had a gun on me many years ago ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #43

Did you ever meet the mother of the murdered? Taverner Dec 2012 #45

Why do say "the murdered"? That was not "murder". (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #66

That poster has been on a hypebole high for quite some time ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #107

Whether your wife killed him or murdered him he's still just as dead, isn't he? TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #112

The word 'murder' always means unjustifiable homicide cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #115

Yes, but the justification of the murder is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #121

The correct term is homicide, not murder ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #123

It was not murder, it was homicide ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #124

No one was murdered, and they met and talked for awhile. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #96

You wouldn't shoot someone to save your child? dkf Dec 2012 #47

I would but who says I would want them dead? Taverner Dec 2012 #52

So you would take a chance you don't stop them to save your conscience? dkf Dec 2012 #86

He appears to be a trick-shot artist cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #97

Dude got kicked off the thread. Too bad. dkf Dec 2012 #144

You sleep very well at night in that case jmowreader Dec 2012 #49

When you kill someone you become a different person after. Robb Dec 2012 #54

+10000 Taverner Dec 2012 #59

It's a fairly ridiculous question. Jenoch Dec 2012 #57

I don't know if I could Flatpicker Dec 2012 #60

How do they sleep at night? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #61

I am no fan of guns Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #63

Turn the tables Taverner cbrer Dec 2012 #65

His solution to this would be to hide and hit the killer in the knee or he would become a sociopath jal777 Dec 2012 #71

It is not something one takes lightly, but I would not lose sleep over it The Straight Story Dec 2012 #67

I have never wanted to kill anybody PD Turk Dec 2012 #68

You correctly focus on the offensive "want" cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #102

I wrote this down this week- "Can barbarism eliminate barbarism?" Gregorian Dec 2012 #73

Lots of people have killed... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #74

Spoken like a neighborhood watchman. Robb Dec 2012 #76

Spoken like someone... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #108

Sure you have, tiger. Robb Dec 2012 #113

Classy... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #125

You may live in a black and white world Peregrine Dec 2012 #79

In real life, one can't foretell the future. Gregorian Dec 2012 #85

I would try everything I could to stop him. And if that didn't work, yeah renie408 Dec 2012 #105

Several years ago in the Twin Cities Jenoch Dec 2012 #141

If they're trying to kill me. baldguy Dec 2012 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author man4allcats Dec 2012 #93

If it was a horde of crazy hippies on meth who were trying to hurt me or my family... renie408 Dec 2012 #104

The cop who took out exboyfil Dec 2012 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #109

Tough question... smccarter Dec 2012 #116

I would never want to kill anyone. rrneck Dec 2012 #117

I thought about that, and that's why I'll probably never own a gun ecstatic Dec 2012 #119

Just keep in mind that police are not personal security and are not obligated to render aid. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #145

So what you are basically saying HockeyMom Dec 2012 #202

At the Columbine shooting the police were of little help. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #204

My point was nothing of the kind, I am not fixated on one scenario with every thought revolving TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #216

Who says I do? (Want to kill someone..) X_Digger Dec 2012 #127

I was stuck on an elevator with Karl Rove and... valerief Dec 2012 #133

I don't have any stories about defending my family with a gun... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #134

Would probably sleep better than if I failed to defend my family RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #139

For a million dollars and the right person I may do it n/t doc03 Dec 2012 #140

Why would you want to allow yourself or a loved one to die? Would you sleep better THEN? jmg257 Dec 2012 #142

Why would you want to allow a "horde of crazy hippies on meth and PCP" rl6214 Dec 2012 #143

You know what, Tav, I'm going to make an example of you for this. flvegan Dec 2012 #147

just to watch him die Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #148

caught her messin' around with another man arely staircase Dec 2012 #211

Who would really "want" to kill anyone, or anything? beevul Dec 2012 #149

I've seen a lot of death and horrid shit in my life HEyHEY Dec 2012 #150

Oh shit! JVS Dec 2012 #151

HAAAAAAAA!!!!! HEyHEY Dec 2012 #152

I'm ok. JVS Dec 2012 #153

I will protect my family! In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #155

Having been in positions where I killed people and then failed to kill someone I should have Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #156

Kicking because I know at least one DUer who has been in multiple shootouts zappaman Dec 2012 #157

Do you mean "want to" or "would" easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #160

A lot of people could not kill marions ghost Dec 2012 #161

Big Difference Between HAVING To Kill And LOOKING FORWARD To Killing. Paladin Dec 2012 #162

You're going to die early in the Zombie Apocalypse NeedleCast Dec 2012 #164

If they added an i to your name? tavernier Dec 2012 #165

Some folks just need killin' Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #166

Why? To stop him from killing or badly hurting me. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #167

Killing someone feels like shit Nevernose Dec 2012 #176

there are some in the gungeon that believe it is ok to kill someone DrDan Dec 2012 #177

And you've done nothing but WASTE one more opportunity to honestly address your authentic patrice Dec 2012 #180

I never WANT to kill anyone sarisataka Dec 2012 #181

I would never want to do that. However, BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #182

why? Maine-ah Dec 2012 #185

Never would I want to riqster Dec 2012 #186

Let's get this straight. No non-psychopathic/sociopathic person "wants" to kill anyone ever nachosgrande Dec 2012 #189

Million Dollar Answer: "Because I had shitty parents" stlsaxman Dec 2012 #190

People actually responded to that steaming pile? 99Forever Dec 2012 #193

My husband said this same thing ellie Dec 2012 #195

Please transfer the million electronically. LWolf Dec 2012 #197

If I were in genuine fear for my life, I'd be prepared to use lethal force to defend myself. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #198

Soundly. H2O Man Dec 2012 #199

There is no crime......... Jim Warren Dec 2012 #205

I don't think I completely understand your post DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #207

well there is the old time machine/kill hitler scenario arely staircase Dec 2012 #210

Oh good lord. Bake Dec 2012 #213

If someone's trying to harm me, I AIN'T WORRYIN' ABOUT HIS MOTHER, PAL. THAT'S HIS CONCERN. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #215