I'm still trying to wrap my head around so many staunchly pro-gun folks on DU

[The Straight Story]

17. Reminds me a bit of the east side here

They told people you cannot smoke in bars.

They still do. No ashtrays, they use old beer bottles with a ring around them.

Cops here know about it, and ignore it. I have been in the one bar when cops came in because someone stole a purse.

Nothing was done about the people smoking. Folks who don't like it go to other bars that are more strict, but most just don't care. Especially in the dead of winter.

Restricting choice does not work. Doing so in intelligent ways can make a world of difference (ie, you have to go to hospitals, not bars, so restrict smoking at one and not the other).

The same goes for guns - people will own them, make them, etc. Wanna restrict them at some places and have some meaningful regulations - fine. But when people break those laws don't blame the law that was already there as not doing enough and ask for more laws that won't work (already illegal to walk into a school with one, already illegal to shoot others, etc).

Find common ground with an outlet for people and you will get further.