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98. I don't care about "responsible" gun owners; I want to see accountable gun owners

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:53 AM

Dec 2012

Responsibility is a personal state, a quality of a person. Accountability is public. What we have now is supposed responsibility without accountability - the kind of "responsibility" that makes no difference. This is what they promote: think of "responsibility" as a quality that attaches to gun owners, rather than public accountability. It is, as a result, a quality without consequence, like when the Bushies would take "responsibility" for something, but nothing would happen to them. Anything that hints of public accountability rather than personal responsibility is attacked viciously, precisely because it heralds the day when the gun nuts will have to be accountable, rather than just continuing on with their fake and consequence-free "responsible" pose.

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Handgun-owners map draws outrage [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 OP

I don't own a gun, I don't see how that is anyone's bussiness. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #1

agree 100% and people aren't mentionig that elehhhhna Dec 2012 #26

I agree Skittles Dec 2012 #128

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #2

Standard gun-lubber pablum. MrModerate Dec 2012 #12

What? Because people own a gun they lose their right to privacy? geckosfeet Dec 2012 #32

What? Because someone registers to vote they lose their right to privacy? Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #52

Please note that publishing the address of guns for thieves to target puts lives geckosfeet Dec 2012 #74

You know, I've seen two arguments about this Confusious Dec 2012 #77

That's why everyone needs guns! Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #83

Less chance of being a target for gun theft if your address isn't published in newspaper. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #88

Since you apparently didn't get the point Confusious Dec 2012 #89

Heavens to betsy Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #82

The average street thug or crack head? You must be kidding. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #87

The average street thug or crack head Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #101

by your own reckoning you are implicitly saying that gun ownership feeds crime. CTyankee Dec 2012 #91

I love that it makes the gun nuts so uncomfortable Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #71

It makes regular people uncomfortable also NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #90

It is a public service. If I were the parent of a young child, I sure would like to know who has CTyankee Dec 2012 #94

And it doesn't specifcally say if there is a handgun present NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #102

First of all, my "paranoia" is to me a "wise fear" because the gun violence due to handguns is CTyankee Dec 2012 #109

If you say so... NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #111

I can't imagine what such a searchable map on me would be unless it is how I am registered to CTyankee Dec 2012 #112

Proving that everyone will find a way to justify/rationalize their biases. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #116

Public Health is a different issue than Public Safety. CTyankee Dec 2012 #123

I figured you'd have learned your lesson about privacy after the Bush/Cheney years derby378 Dec 2012 #142

Yeah, the safety of my kids. I'm crazy that way... CTyankee Dec 2012 #145

I'm truly torn by this, but I find that I still keep coming back to what you're saying. calimary Dec 2012 #151

This is personal for me. My neice was shot and killed by her stepgrandfather. He was CTyankee Dec 2012 #158

We had a friend who grew up on a ranch out in the country, where there was hunting and fishing calimary Dec 2012 #159

Thank you for sharing your story of loss. CTyankee Dec 2012 #160

But only "traits" that require public registration are searchable. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #104

Such as marriage certificates (including gay), domestic partnerships, SNAP benefits NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #106

Again, where is the public safety issue here? CTyankee Dec 2012 #113

Gun ownership isn't a public safety issue either. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #115

but guns are a public safety issue. Sandy Hook? CTyankee Dec 2012 #122

Gun violence is a public safety problem. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #124

you are aware that this is a public record, aren't you? Are you saying there is no reason CTyankee Dec 2012 #135

If I read correctly is was released per a Freedom of Information request by the Newspaper. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #136

they didn't know? It seems to me that if it was important to them, they would ask at the CTyankee Dec 2012 #138

I don't think anyone thought this would happen. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #140

Isn't it funny that it did? CTyankee Dec 2012 #144

Not sure if funny is the right term. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #146

well, who usually has the weapon and who doesn't in these incidences? CTyankee Dec 2012 #147

Many battered woman are encouraged to buy a handgun. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #148

I really doubt that it comes from mental health professionals. CTyankee Dec 2012 #149

They are encouraged by police. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #150

SNAP benefits aren't public information. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #152

You are talking about announcements. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #153

Had I had Google Earth, I could have mapped marriage licenses. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #154

My local newspaper doesn't publish marriage licenses NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #156

Meh....it doesn't make me uncomfortable. Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #114

I've seen similar lists misused. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #117

I think you need to be more nutmeg and less yankee. eom Fawke Em Dec 2012 #155

Ask the people who signed the petition to recall Governer Walker. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #157

Or perhaps your name is not on the list. randome Dec 2012 #118

So let me get this straight Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #119

He means a woman escaping from an abusive relationship. Many buy a handgun for defense. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #120

Post #35 above is a good reason against bulk publishing of info, even if it is public. randome Dec 2012 #126

An abuser could search through the list to find out where an existing or past victim lives slackmaster Dec 2012 #127

I wouldn't mind annoying gun owners if it accomplished anything. Bucky Dec 2012 #3

A lot of them seem to have no problem forcing those of us with psychiatric diagnoses to wear it Denninmi Dec 2012 #4

correction: those of us who are being treated. elehhhhna Dec 2012 #27

True. Denninmi Dec 2012 #63

As the gun owners keep saying its for protection, why are they hiding their guns? graham4anything Dec 2012 #5

Doesn't Mr LaPierre want a list like this of people with mental illness? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #6

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #7

Not exactly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #50

Two wrongs DO make a right. chatcat11 Dec 2012 #8

The main problem with this Warpy Dec 2012 #9

That is my concern. Lasher Dec 2012 #10

Any burglar who uses this as gospel Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #13

Yes, there are surely more homes with guns. Lasher Dec 2012 #14

It's true it could go very bad for the burglar... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #59

Isn't that what the NRA wants? Sancho Dec 2012 #18

It's foolish to put up signs like that. Lasher Dec 2012 #20

If the excuse for having a handgun is personal protection . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #11

Many of those against this are also safeinOhio Dec 2012 #15

I think a wide swath of people are against this, Quantess Dec 2012 #17

Good idea...is there an app for my GPS? Sancho Dec 2012 #16

First Amendment vs Second Amendment. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #19

Where does privacy fit into your concept of rights? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #23

Right where it is stated safeinOhio Dec 2012 #24

Public Record Information is *NOT* private. LooseWilly Dec 2012 #62

What happens when the press is bias? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #92

At first I was outraged about this customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #21

That's a little over the top. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #25

Hey, thirty years ago customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #81

An effective arguement against registration pipoman Dec 2012 #22

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51

how is non-violent mental illness anyone's business? samsingh Dec 2012 #28

As someone who prefers not to be around guns...this map is useful to me. Walk away Dec 2012 #29

Is that why some people run from the cops? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34

What a pathetic response to my post. I can hardly wait to ignore you! Walk away Dec 2012 #72

If This Was Detroit or Chicago - The White Folks Would Cheer otohara Dec 2012 #30

The Second Amendment doesn't guarantee secercy. catbyte Dec 2012 #31

How would people feel about a map of persons infected with hepatitis? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #33

Or SARS. Robb Dec 2012 #38

HIPAA makes that illegal RomneyLies Dec 2012 #42

But according to a post above gun ownership is a mental illness. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #45

But according to some idiot on the internet, Obama is Hitler RomneyLies Dec 2012 #58

Rebecca Shaeffer was murdered in 1989 by a stalker who got her address from the California DMV slackmaster Dec 2012 #35

Or stop licensing drivers. Robb Dec 2012 #36

That almost makes sense. California, like most states, does not require a license to own a firearm. slackmaster Dec 2012 #37

Well, a car's a big responsibility. Robb Dec 2012 #39

Simply owning a car, not so much. Driving it on public roads is everyone's business. slackmaster Dec 2012 #40

Toddlers accidentally go driving a lot. Robb Dec 2012 #44

Put gun registration and DMV registration in the same department. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #43

That is a chilling thought slackmaster Dec 2012 #47

I'd sell my guns and buy a bus pass. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #49

I commend the paper for this action RomneyLies Dec 2012 #41

The paper didn't do it as a public service, or in pursuit of some moral high ground slackmaster Dec 2012 #46

A paper does EVERYTHING for profit. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #57

You can do the same map w/ voter ID Nevernose Dec 2012 #48

This can set people up for theft, or worse. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #53

Yipes! This is where I live! dorkzilla Dec 2012 #54

The good news is there is no permit required to buy a rifle or a shotgun. slackmaster Dec 2012 #65

that makes me feel so much better (not)! dorkzilla Dec 2012 #66

No, about half of your neighbors have REGISTERED handguns. It's the ones who have UNREGISTERED... slackmaster Dec 2012 #68

Why? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #73

OK, I have to admit I am not familiar with NY law slackmaster Dec 2012 #75

You could be right... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #79

It seems even California is more "gun friendly" than New York slackmaster Dec 2012 #80

A warning for those who think it is a good idea to publish the names and addresses of gun owners: .. spin Dec 2012 #55

Bzzt. Criminals would target your neighbors kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #61

Not all criminals have the same MO. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #64

Let's see if you can figure out which is much MUCH more likely to happen to you: kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #69

You're preaching to the choir. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #70

Some might. Others would chose your home. ... spin Dec 2012 #67

One reason this argument fails: not everybody is as paranoid about "criminals targetting their home" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #129

You have every right to make decisions about your own home security just as I do. ... spin Dec 2012 #139

So apparently Mr. Worley is a gun owner himself TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #56

Cost/Benefit of this sarisataka Dec 2012 #60

The anti's "legitimate rape" moment. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #76

I've noticed several replies in the various threads in which people who live in those counties... slackmaster Dec 2012 #78

"the self-righteous overplay their hand" Quantess Dec 2012 #84

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #85

I'd bet money there are names missing from that map. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #86

I'd bet money you were wrong. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #108

I thought people were "proud" gun owners alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #93

The whining is remarkable, isn't it? CTyankee Dec 2012 #95

I don't care about "responsible" gun owners; I want to see accountable gun owners alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #98

Just as with responsible gun ownership, the first amendment should be used responsibly. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #99

In your opinion, what is the equivalent here of "verbal and Facebook bullying'? CTyankee Dec 2012 #100

Stereotype? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #97

I'd like a map like that for my area abelenkpe Dec 2012 #103

Like you're going to know everyone on some kind of list? randome Dec 2012 #105

Of course I woulldn't know everyone abelenkpe Dec 2012 #121

Post #35 above is a good reason against bulk publishing of info, even if it is public. randome Dec 2012 #125

Yeah abelenkpe Dec 2012 #130

The whole thing is a smear by the Journal News. Read the article and editorial that accompany... slackmaster Dec 2012 #131

What? Believe that gun owners are a danger to the community? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #132

A news organization attempting to make news instead of reporting it. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #107

That I believe! nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #133

The true believers libodem Dec 2012 #110

I wonder if attitudes would change if they posted a map of those with Medical Marijuana licenses. nt hughee99 Dec 2012 #134

Yes, or whatever else someone Jim Warren Dec 2012 #137

People are more than willing to give up the right to privacy, hughee99 Dec 2012 #141

+1 Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #143