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csziggy

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23. I live in Florida, with the Sunshine Law

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:22 AM

Dec 2012

Just about anything is available online, even more at the state and county offices if I go in person. I can look up every detail about my neighbors' mortgages, property assessment, and taxes. I can look up their divorce records, and details of any lawsuits they may have been involved in. I can look up sexual predators and research their history to find why they are on the list. Often I can look at court documents while a case is being prosecuted, or even before the trial begins as information comes out through discovery.

But here I am NOT allowed to find out which neighbors have concealed carry permits. Florida does not register guns so there is no database for me to check on neighbors who might hoard guns. I find it very ironic that I cannot know who near me might be paranoid enough to think they need to carry constantly in this very safe neighborhood when everything else is out in the sunshine.

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A Guy Now On CNN Just Criticized The NY Newspaper That Published Names/Addresses Of Gun Owners By... [View all] global1 Dec 2012 OP

But, but, but we NEEDS THE PRECIOUS RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #2

What does any honest, responsible gun owner have to hide? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #4

I enjoy controlling the impression I make on nosey people slackmaster Dec 2012 #5

HA!!, I knew some nitwit would say that, didn't think it would only take 4 posts though. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #45

Well, answwer the question then. What do you have to hide. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #48

I think there's a little fourth amentment left. rrneck Dec 2012 #76

This is neither a search nor a seizure. Again, what do you have to hide? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #81

Searches are conducted to secure incriminating evidence. Seizures secure the evidence. rrneck Dec 2012 #82

It is public record ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #94

I don't have to make such a claim. rrneck Dec 2012 #111

If you have a gun, you are, by definition, a danger BlueStreak Dec 2012 #113

Prove it. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #114

based on your attitude, you must of been a patriot act supporter. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #140

her gun from burglars arely staircase Dec 2012 #125

I Hope You Understand That I'm All For Publishing This Information ...... global1 Dec 2012 #7

The FFs didn't anticipate computers or the Internet either, yet the First Amendment still applies. slackmaster Dec 2012 #8

So all government data should be published? Like names of people receiving public assistance? hack89 Dec 2012 #53

All kinds of information is readily available abelenkpe Dec 2012 #58

So lists of people on public assistance should be in the paper? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #64

I don't know are they? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #67

Is there any limit on what personal information the government can publish? hack89 Dec 2012 #69

I answered your question abelenkpe Dec 2012 #71

You must have loved the Patriot Act and the Terrorist watch list. hack89 Dec 2012 #72

What is wrong with the notion that all public information should be public? hack89 Dec 2012 #73

When did I say I was afraid of total transparency? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #78

So any information on any potential threat is your standard? hack89 Dec 2012 #80

OMG abelenkpe Dec 2012 #86

Publishing the address of someone who might be hiding from an abusive spouse is one reason. randome Dec 2012 #89

No you can't. hack89 Dec 2012 #93

Yes you can abelenkpe Dec 2012 #98

If my guns were not registered hack89 Dec 2012 #99

You are on a public board talking about the unregistered guns you own abelenkpe Dec 2012 #109

Only with a warrant hack89 Dec 2012 #122

I'll be happy to do that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #124

Some Delicate Flowers bongbong Dec 2012 #84

You need to take some basic reading comprehension classes abelenkpe Dec 2012 #87

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #100

If you want to know RantinRavin Dec 2012 #112

I do abelenkpe Dec 2012 #117

Recall petition signers reteachinwi Dec 2012 #79

Hey they publish sexual preditors list. aandegoons Dec 2012 #11

There are many Web sites where you can get that informatoin slackmaster Dec 2012 #12

As there also should be for gun hoarders. aandegoons Dec 2012 #13

Your false equivalency is an epic fail. Collecting guns isn't a crime. slackmaster Dec 2012 #15

And sexual preditors already paid for their crime. aandegoons Dec 2012 #24

If you carry water for sexual predators, you too are a sexual predator slackmaster Dec 2012 #29

Interesting. aandegoons Dec 2012 #37

something better? I thought that was perfect :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #46

You are wrong. Jenoch Dec 2012 #52

Sexual predators are criminals. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #22

They already paid for their crime. aandegoons Dec 2012 #25

And the likelihood of them re-offending is very high proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #27

And the liklihood that legally obtained guns will be used to kill innocent people is also high RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30

Of 300,000,000 guns, there were 8,583 firearms used to kill people in 2011. X_Digger Dec 2012 #65

Nice deflection bongbong Dec 2012 #85

I addressed what the poster actually said. X_Digger Dec 2012 #95

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #102

Damn those pesky misleading facts getting in the way of a good rant. X_Digger Dec 2012 #105

Agreed bongbong Dec 2012 #107

Got a link to your OP yet? n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #108

My OP? bongbong Dec 2012 #116

Yes, your 'tip of the iceberg' post with the 'twue' stats. X_Digger Dec 2012 #118

You'll be the first to know! bongbong Dec 2012 #120

How high? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #31

How high is high enough? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #49

My question had nothing to do with guns. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #50

I assume you've looked at the numbers, too? X_Digger Dec 2012 #60

Yes, I'm pretty much up to date on all that. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #119

You have my full support, for whatever value it serves. X_Digger Dec 2012 #121

As is the likely hood of a gun nutter gunning down children. aandegoons Dec 2012 #35

I'm curious. Is "painfully stupid" just an expression, or are you actually in some discomfort? 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #47

See post #52. Jenoch Dec 2012 #54

That is not accurate. Part of the penaly for a sex crime conviction is having to register. slackmaster Dec 2012 #74

being a sexual predator is against the law Skittles Dec 2012 #77

Like the sexual predator's list BlueStreak Dec 2012 #3

But there you go again billh58 Dec 2012 #9

Don't let the kids play at the house? jp76 Dec 2012 #26

And another recruit billh58 Dec 2012 #43

In situations where children Jenoch Dec 2012 #56

"The neighbor's kid at fault"? Surely you didn't mean that BlueStreak Dec 2012 #139

I'm really not sure how I feel about this. HappyMe Dec 2012 #6

I live in Florida, with the Sunshine Law csziggy Dec 2012 #23

I think it's all creepy. HappyMe Dec 2012 #28

Given where I live, I am used to seeing open carry csziggy Dec 2012 #39

I just don't worry enough about it HappyMe Dec 2012 #41

I don't like being around a gun with no apparent purpose csziggy Dec 2012 #62

If it's 'concealed carry' then there isn't HappyMe Dec 2012 #70

Yes, thank you for that. Sadiedog Dec 2012 #92

The Clackamas, Oregon mall shooter killed Jenoch Dec 2012 #59

Curious NeedleCast Dec 2012 #10

In Florida, that information is public csziggy Dec 2012 #40

Very comfortable, and billh58 Dec 2012 #55

I'm not a gun owner and I don't agree with what that newspaper did. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #14

With rights come responsibilities; with actions come consequences. slackmaster Dec 2012 #16

Most ironic post of the year RomneyLies Dec 2012 #32

I keep my guns locked up slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

They technically didn't do anything ILLEGAL. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #33

It was a dumb stunt, wasn't it? randome Dec 2012 #17

I have been fingerprinted HockeyMom Dec 2012 #18

I don't think anyone is saying it's not legal. They are talking about ethical. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #20

My teaching license renewal reteachinwi Dec 2012 #88

So your argument is that technology can be used to bolster prior amendments.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #19

The list is only of those who bought guns legally in recent years? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #21

In order to get a private kennel license.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #34

+1 reteachinwi Dec 2012 #90

Checks and Balances jp76 Dec 2012 #38

Ah, and here it comes. billh58 Dec 2012 #44

I've been of two minds on this and still don't know how I feel Arcanetrance Dec 2012 #42

the usual rank hypocrisy of the gun apologist villager Dec 2012 #51

Unfortunately, this can be a batterer/stalker's dream database. SeattleVet Dec 2012 #57

Thank you. HappyMe Dec 2012 #63

You can get a person's address and phone number online HockeyMom Dec 2012 #104

The newspaper reporter Jenoch Dec 2012 #61

That changes nothing. 99Forever Dec 2012 #66

Since I don't live in New York Jenoch Dec 2012 #126

People seem to have trouble with the concept treestar Dec 2012 #68

It is possible to keep your name out of public property records. I know a man who did that... slackmaster Dec 2012 #75

Trusts, estates and corporations can own property treestar Dec 2012 #131

I've no idea why the Delicate Flowers are so upset bongbong Dec 2012 #83

Has it ever occurred to you that some of those several thousand people could be crime victims? slackmaster Dec 2012 #91

I thought gun owners were honest law-abiding people. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #96

Dangerous people are a danger to the public slackmaster Dec 2012 #97

Very few murderers DON'T have guns, so I hope you can see why it is relevant BlueStreak Dec 2012 #103

Very few people who DO have legally owned guns ever commit murder or any other violent crime slackmaster Dec 2012 #127

Very few people who have cars crash into a school bus killing 50 children BlueStreak Dec 2012 #128

Facts bongbong Dec 2012 #101

For example, take the NRA idea to arm all school teachers BlueStreak Dec 2012 #106

Agreed bongbong Dec 2012 #115

To answer my own question, here is how I would rank those outcomes BlueStreak Dec 2012 #129

Then perhaps they shouldn't have voluntarily released that information publicly? Nevernose Dec 2012 #130

Are you suggesting that people in that category should have not gotten permits for their guns? slackmaster Dec 2012 #132

My issue with the list is this: Marrah_G Dec 2012 #110

Our Forefathers Did Not Anticipate Semi Automatic Weapons And The Gun Enabler Clan Called The NRA cantbeserious Dec 2012 #123

The First Amendment was written at a time when nobody anticipated computers or the Internet slackmaster Dec 2012 #133

False Equivalency - Nice Try Using The NRA Talking Point cantbeserious Dec 2012 #134

If a very clever gunsmith in the 1780s had managed to craft a semiautomatic breech-loader... slackmaster Dec 2012 #135

Times Change - Still False Equivalency i.e. Misdirection - More NRA Nonsense cantbeserious Dec 2012 #136

You make an excellent point Tsiyu Dec 2012 #137

I heard about this. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #138

"they didn't anticipate semi-automatic and automatic weapons and clips/magazines that hold multiple" crazyjoe Dec 2012 #141