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Envirogal

(318 posts)
6. Then why even have the shutdown?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:28 AM
Nov 2025

The amount of economic loss and costs is enormous. The national parks have been vandalized. The federal workers, especially the air traffic controllers, have suffered severe stress and hardship, and all of the other hassles this shutdown caused. The question is WHY even do it if you knew you had little leverage and limited stomach for the fight? We know that Republicans are ruthless and will gladly cut the baby in half in this game of chicken.

Dems are the governing party but that isn’t gotten us very far on the scale of effective messaging. Pretty thankless result. We are weak and any GOP game theory will predict we wouldn’t have the stomach for playing hardball, even after an election winning cycle Tuesday. We cave. So again, the question is why even try? It almost looks worse when you got NOTHING for the effort and distracts the attention from Trump’s cruel fleecing of the poor and middle class?

And Schumer is not going to get out of this easily despite him stacking the deck with senators voting that have no election coming up and allowing him to be vocal saying he’s a “no vote”. He’s not fooling anyone that this was a stacked deck that he supprted to get them out of this mess. Maybe we shouldn’t be calling for all the heads of the Democrats, but we certainly should be calling for Chuck Schumer’s. He’s been an ineffective leader and has well worn through his shelf. This is not the time for statesman and old school 74 year-old diplomacy that is from a long bygone era. We need strategic thinking and fighters, not strongly worded letters.

Give us his head and maybe that will allow for Democrats voters to move forward. But it is hard if nobody pays for this shutdown fail.

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5 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

The circle cannot be squared -- if this vote to end the shutdown is right then RockRaven Nov 2025 #1
I disagree. pat_k Nov 2025 #4
Alternatively one can look at the situation as having tried something that didn't work EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #25
100% !! WELL SAID ! (and it really NEEDED to be said !) stopdiggin Nov 2025 #2
Very well said, bigtree. Sogo Nov 2025 #3
K&R nt PunkinPi Nov 2025 #5
Then why even have the shutdown? Envirogal Nov 2025 #6
Not fighting helps us win nothing orangecrush Nov 2025 #7
The problem is that Democrats don't demonstrate Baitball Blogger Nov 2025 #8
My feelings, exactly Pototan Nov 2025 #9
Completely disagree angrychair Nov 2025 #10
What did we get for our 40 days? Billsdaughter Nov 2025 #11
How long will Trump spike the football in our face? dem4decades Nov 2025 #26
It was a REPUBLICAN SHUTDOWN. The only Emile Nov 2025 #12
. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #13
Thanks to centrists they couldn't pass a public option, now Emile Nov 2025 #14
You've got it all wrong Orrex Nov 2025 #16
Patience, grasshopper. All is going exactly as it should go. This isn't a Law & Order episode. And what are YOU Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #17
+1 demmiblue Nov 2025 #18
+1 leftstreet Nov 2025 #23
Well, that's certainly one way to spin it. Orrex Nov 2025 #15
K&R mcar Nov 2025 #19
Say It Loud! MineralMan Nov 2025 #20
K&R betsuni Nov 2025 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #22
But Schumer himself welcomes GOPers leftstreet Nov 2025 #24
Tell that to the crazy 8. nt yaesu Nov 2025 #27
Who needs a majority when you rule like a monarchy C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #28
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