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H2O Man

(78,447 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:11 PM Nov 10

"I've Had It" [View all]

What to do at 1 am on a rainy night when this old bag of lard & bones aches? I had been under a quilt in my rocking chair, watching a podcast that I like. I had first come across it a few weeks ago. After catching up on a few episodes, I came on to DU:GD to see what, if anything, new was going on. So I read a few OP/threads about a Senate deal, and the reactions of two distinct groups – those okay with what some Senate Democrats are doing, and those who feel betrayed.

After over twenty years here, it does not come as a shock that there can be harsh disagreements on this forum. Is it possible that there are trolls afoot? Maybe some kids who weigh three to four times their IQ, in their mother's basement? Maybe. Even a single actual political operative, seeking to stir the pot? Or might one have to kid themselves to think such an unlikely thing in November of 2025?

Now, I wanted two things: first, for Democrats to break republicans, and second, to be 100% sure that people had food and health care. That would seem the least a civilized society could provide. Deep down, of course, I favor improving our educational system, including lowering the cost of public colleges and universities.

That may be in large part because I am convinced that one of the most dangerously entrenched problems today is economic warfare. It seems we are to avoid talking about this in proper society. We can talk about sexism, racism, street crime, inflation, and the president's tiny, mushroom-shaped prick, as one of my friends recently pointed out. But not how the opulently wealthy are treating the vast majority of American citizens. Thus, I will not even so much as hint at the context in which I view the cruelty involved in current events.

Instead, I'll recommend that people watch the podcast “I've Had It.” It features two women – Jennifer Welch, a Democrat, and Angie Sullivan, a former republican. They have interviewed individuals including Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris on their show. But they lean to the left, and thus have also interviewed AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Zohran Mamdani.

On of the things they stress is that we should look to see who their biggest sources of income are, in order to understand the positions they take, and votes they cast. If they take substantial income from a foreign lobbyist, perhaps one that isn't registered as much, it just might influence their stance on foreign affairs. Or if they take money from a domestic source, it is within the realm of possibility that this could influence their votes.

Now, this is just my opinion, but a government that will support the cruelty that one nation inflicts upon human beings – let's say the people of Gaza and the West Bank – is capable of inflicting cruelty upon segments of its own population. Others may disagree – perhaps strongly – and I can respect that. This is merely the thinking of an old man, in the early hours after skimming through DU:GD. I shall wait until I wake up later to decide if I'll even post this.

Last Tuesday, a number of different Democrats won elections. In some places, a progressive candidate may win where an establishment candidate such as Andrew Cuomo cannot. Yet in other cities and states, a conservative Democrat may be the best candidate. But one thing seems clear, at least to me: to win in both 2026 and 2028, our party needs the support of liberal and progressive independents. And the supporting of cutting back on the social safety net is not going to gain their support. In other words, we don't need the Weather Channel to see which way the wind blows.

Finally, let's be respectful of those on this forum who hold different opinions. Harsh and insulting responses will not change minds.

(Note: As a result of some interactions here this afternoon, I decided I would post this, which I wrote in the wee mourning hours.)

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"I've Had It" [View all] H2O Man Nov 10 OP
Food for thought. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 10 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 10 #2
Trolls afoot ? Possibly but there appears to many long time members here who do not like this vote. CentralMass Nov 10 #3
Right. H2O Man Nov 10 #4
I was accused of being one last week. maxsolomon Nov 10 #9
Years ago, H2O Man Nov 10 #41
Most times I think DU prefers Pollyannas to realists. maxsolomon Nov 10 #53
Exactly! H2O Man Nov 10 #56
I'M ONE OF THEM. THIS VOTE IS AN ABOMINATION. Maru Kitteh Nov 10 #64
There are trolls on every forum. And we should expect more trollish activity as AI bots proliferate. In this case Bluetus Nov 11 #103
I have been feeling storm-lashed today Easterncedar Nov 10 #5
And thank you! H2O Man Nov 10 #6
There are trolls here Easterncedar Nov 10 #8
My children note H2O Man Nov 10 #26
One of my very favorite tales! Easterncedar Nov 10 #39
In the 1990s, H2O Man Nov 10 #46
What title did you use, may I ask? Easterncedar Nov 10 #48
I shall send H2O Man Nov 10 #54
You are kind Easterncedar Nov 10 #57
Progressive or not, we need to weed out cowards. This is Armageddon for democracy. usonian Nov 10 #7
Way back in time, H2O Man Nov 10 #27
Thank you! Point well made. . . . h2ebits Nov 10 #29
I still have H2O Man Nov 10 #47
I'll have to remember. . . . . h2ebits Nov 10 #82
He predicted that H2O Man Nov 11 #101
I love this Easterncedar Nov 10 #40
+1 Maru Kitteh Nov 10 #75
What "cowards" are you talking about? Random Boomer Nov 11 #102
Those two women give me life! demmiblue Nov 10 #10
They are fantastic! Tom Dyer Nov 10 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 10 #28
Good thoughts. spanone Nov 10 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 10 #31
I'm thankful you decided to post this. Mystery To Me Nov 10 #13
Well thanks! H2O Man Nov 10 #32
I too am in mourning. cachukis Nov 10 #14
Ha! H2O Man Nov 10 #33
Did you? Doble entendre? cachukis Nov 10 #44
Yes. H2O Man Nov 10 #49
Thought so. I too, use them and most often, they go cachukis Nov 10 #55
In high school, H2O Man Nov 10 #59
Remarkable. cachukis Nov 10 #71
I agree. LoisB Nov 10 #15
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 10 #34
I hear a lot about how liberal ideas can't win in places; Let's test the theory and try sometime. nt Gore1FL Nov 10 #16
Right! H2O Man Nov 10 #35
IHIP news - great podcast. yellow dahlia Nov 10 #17
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 10 #38
I was one of those who was upset with her ruling Lifeafter70 Nov 10 #81
Right. H2O Man Nov 11 #99
Thank you H2O Man. c-rational Nov 10 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 10 #50
I believe you were trying to say True Dough Nov 10 #87
Not sure how that happened...but I do always enjoy H2O's posts. In anyt event, thanks for the smile. c-rational Nov 10 #89
What's not to enjoy? True Dough Nov 10 #91
The problem is that this deal won't get people health care. Their premiums are going to sky rocket flashman13 Nov 10 #19
Absolutely. H2O Man Nov 10 #52
I'm just a joe average dummy and I figured it out. Either the Quislings are really stupid (not imposible) or flashman13 Nov 10 #69
It's sad, but I fear the Senate acted just as the founding fathers intended...to prevent mob-rule, aka democracy. pecosbob Nov 10 #20
Very good! H2O Man Nov 10 #73
The "mourning" hours have been here since Trump got elected. ananda Nov 10 #21
True. H2O Man Nov 11 #100
Yes, agree. I would worry if we weren't. ananda Nov 11 #104
I see it not so much as a cycle of outrageous news EmmaLee E Nov 11 #108
thanks for your insight. AllaN01Bear Nov 10 #22
Those two had me at: OneGrassRoot Nov 10 #23
I found them to be hyperbolic and often very anti-Democratic party bigtree Nov 10 #24
Oh, heavens ..... H2O Man Nov 10 #30
I was talking about the ladies on the podcast bigtree Nov 10 #58
Ha! H2O Man Nov 10 #60
Not sure why this needed to include a fat insult Betty Boom Nov 10 #25
Where did this happen? Jersey Devil Nov 10 #36
I assume the other poster was vexed about this: Celerity Nov 10 #63
This Betty Boom Nov 11 #94
Oh, that's easy. H2O Man Nov 10 #61
Haha! I prefer chunky and Scots/Irish babylonsister Nov 10 #83
That's fine for you, if it's actually true Betty Boom Nov 11 #95
I think that H2O Man Nov 11 #98
Hello! Well, I fall square in the camp that feels betrayed by institutionalist Dems. However... PatrickforB Nov 10 #37
I hear you. H2O Man Nov 10 #62
Darned right! I'm with you on fighting the good fight. n/t PatrickforB Nov 10 #74
Been watching "I've Had It' godsentme Nov 10 #42
Me, too. H2O Man Nov 10 #65
I knew there was a reason I liked you lol Lifeafter70 Nov 10 #84
Yep, old age has its advantages and disadvantages multigraincracker Nov 10 #43
Beautiful! H2O Man Nov 10 #66
I love "I've Had It". Great post, thanks much. Joinfortmill Nov 10 #45
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 10 #68
"...one markodochartaigh Nov 10 #51
Definitely! H2O Man Nov 10 #72
Good post mvd Nov 10 #67
My thoughts on this revolve around 3 questions: Martin Eden Nov 10 #70
I appreciate your thoughts very much. And I agree. Ninga Nov 10 #76
We have all been on outrage overload for a long time. Martin Eden Nov 10 #78
So well said. Emotional fatigue is real. Ninga Nov 10 #80
Always bringing us back to balance, H2O Man. Thank you Clouds Passing Nov 10 #77
I watch IHIP News on Youtube all the time AZProgressive Nov 10 #79
FOLLOW THE $$$$$$$$ BigmanPigman Nov 10 #85
Always a voice of reason... bagimin Nov 10 #86
Fine thoughts, well heeded. Queso Delicioso Nov 10 #88
Wise words, as always, H2O Man. True Dough Nov 10 #90
It's funny, today I felt - for the 1st time in a very long time Bristlecone Nov 10 #92
Thanks for the tip on "I've Had It." Pinback Nov 10 #93
Thanks H20 man jfz9580m Nov 11 #96
So true: "Harsh and insulting responses will not change minds. " DFW Nov 11 #97
Why are so many trying to blame this on Schumer, and pushing the idea that he picked who was going to cave in? Pompoy Nov 11 #105
I must form a third group: the SSDD group. malthaussen Nov 11 #106
Insightful Comments greblach Nov 11 #107
Appreciate your musings, thank you Wild blueberry Nov 11 #109
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