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Martin Eden

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150. "supporting Republicans" ... ???

Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:20 AM

Nov 2025

Your argument is undermined by that statement.

1. The shutdown was NEVER going to save the ACA subsidies, but making a stand for 40 days will pin rising insurance premiums and loss of healthcare entirely on Republicans.

2. Ending the shutdown supports hungry families deprived of SNAP benefits and federal workers not getting paid, vulnerable to mass layoffs as Project 2025 continues to dismantle our government.

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Let's Not Have a Three-Ring, Concentric Democratic Firing Squad, OK? [View all] MineralMan Nov 2025 OP

No, not OK. NoRethugFriends Nov 2025 #1

Agree republianmushroom Nov 2025 #60

Amen thomhartmann Nov 2025 #88

but have you noticed the only cries of betrayal are coming agingdem Nov 2025 #98

You need to get out more -eom vanessa_ca Nov 2025 #110

I'm 77 and a life-long Democrat.. agingdem Nov 2025 #129

I am not demeaning you. I'm pushing back against your statement. "I don't hear average citizens shouting "traitors"." vanessa_ca Nov 2025 #146

I'm average as they come. It's a betrayal. airmid Nov 2025 #144

If we were never goin to get maga to move on healthcare choie Nov 2025 #176

I do. My entire family and their young friends are devestated Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #183

Let me tell you a story.. agingdem Nov 2025 #188

I heard this morning no snap. We literally got nothing Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #189

All any of us can do it complain and be frustrated Bettie Nov 2025 #2

We can support and communicate our frustration orangecrush Nov 2025 #69

Sadly, I have no Democratic Bettie Nov 2025 #78

I disagree Bettie. We do have power. It's in the streets and at the ballot box vanessa_ca Nov 2025 #112

The elections seem really far away Bettie Nov 2025 #118

You got it! vanessa_ca Nov 2025 #120

Iowa has a long hard road Bettie Nov 2025 #124

We'll get there. Keep the faith! vanessa_ca Nov 2025 #131

Trump & Co want us to feel hopeless and defeated. thought crime Nov 2025 #126

They may want that Bettie Nov 2025 #128

Lawrence Lessig pointed out years ago... returnee Nov 2025 #135

Not true. Join Indivisable and lets have primaries, but in the end Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #184

Losing the ACA subsidies is not a disagreement. This will harm a lot of people. Autumn Nov 2025 #3

What's Your Plan for Saving Them? MineralMan Nov 2025 #5

It's not my fucking job to come up with a plan to save it. That's what I fucking vote for I'm an Autumn Nov 2025 #9

Well! OK, Then. MineralMan Nov 2025 #20

You don't understand healthcare for all. gab13by13 Nov 2025 #37

Bernie wants one thing. I want Socialized Universal Healthcare. MineralMan Nov 2025 #43

If that's what you really want, stop defending the corporate sell-outs. nt TBF Nov 2025 #74

Right now, there is no possible path to Socialized Universal Healthcare MineralMan Nov 2025 #80

Hey, hang in there man! Plan to keep seeing your doctor once a year for 20 more years. thought crime Nov 2025 #119

You're preaching from a position of privilege - healthy boomer on Medicare luxmatic Nov 2025 #122

I'm afraid I come as I am. MineralMan Nov 2025 #127

Wouldn't it be great if that legislaton was brought in front of the american public choie Nov 2025 #179

Well, at least you said "Maybe never", not "Never ever". I guess that's progress? thought crime Nov 2025 #117

Okay but let's not call it that because it's a freaking stupid name (politically-speaking) AZJonnie Nov 2025 #137

Why are there not enough votes? AZProgressive Nov 2025 #147

Probably because we don't have uniform health care here. MineralMan Nov 2025 #157

It sure would be nice for the Dems to actually put forth meaningful legislation choie Nov 2025 #177

Maybe they will when there is MineralMan Nov 2025 #178

It says a lot.... TheRealNorth Nov 2025 #38

Holding out longer wouldn't make their renewal more likely. tritsofme Nov 2025 #7

Neither will giving in. But go for it. Lets see the choice is starve Americans or kill Autumn Nov 2025 #13

This deal stops the risk of SNAP disruption and is the only path toward a vote on subsidies. tritsofme Nov 2025 #15

Never enough votes amirite? Story of the moderates. Autumn Nov 2025 #18

If Republicans are determined to strip away these subsidies, keeping the government shutdown a few more weeks tritsofme Nov 2025 #22

Those "protections" are legal requirements. They were wrongly delayed Arazi Nov 2025 #57

Does that mean the democrats . . . people Nov 2025 #130

I would have supported ending the shutdown after a week or so. tritsofme Nov 2025 #132

I guarantee you a few more days of air traffic disruption would have ended this Arazi Nov 2025 #19

Yep. And I am already seeing online comments from furloughed fed workers who are pissed the 8 caved Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #54

Some major unions representing federal workers recently started supporting an end to the shutdown. tritsofme Nov 2025 #116

Hear, hear! As soon as the fat kaks are inconvenienced it's over Ponietz Nov 2025 #105

LOL sure durablend Nov 2025 #71

The case becomes moot when the government turns back on. tritsofme Nov 2025 #75

"A path toward ACA subsidy renewal".... Bettie Nov 2025 #123

I fear GOP won't own this crimycarny Nov 2025 #100

The public was blaming Rs. The pressure was on them. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2025 #175

We can't stand together against tyranny when people we count on keep sitting down. Gore1FL Nov 2025 #4

100,000 TIMES - THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS Maru Kitteh Nov 2025 #49

Democrats ? ? republianmushroom Nov 2025 #65

The pattern Cirsium Nov 2025 #91

I would like to quote your post word for word. It speaks for me. Maru Kitteh Nov 2025 #104

Thanks Cirsium Nov 2025 #121

Schumer knew all along "We kept Senator Schumer informed throughout" vanessa_ca Nov 2025 #115

You may be right that they worked out who could get away with voting for this. people Nov 2025 #125

Standard operating procedure Cirsium Nov 2025 #133

"supporting Republicans" ... ??? Martin Eden Nov 2025 #150

Those are the talking points Cirsium Nov 2025 #158

Those are facts. Martin Eden Nov 2025 #160

There it is Cirsium Nov 2025 #162

I noticed you didn't answer any of my questions Martin Eden Nov 2025 #163

Yes Cirsium Nov 2025 #164

It's a straightforward question that goes straight to the point of the shutdown Martin Eden Nov 2025 #165

A straightforward question? Cirsium Nov 2025 #167

There is no logic whatsoever in your post Martin Eden Nov 2025 #168

ffs Cirsium Nov 2025 #169

Nobody forgot that......... Martin Eden Nov 2025 #170

Sure Cirsium Nov 2025 #171

I'll take that to mean you think they should have kept the filibuster going indefinitely Martin Eden Nov 2025 #172

Why? Cirsium Nov 2025 #173

ffs Martin Eden Nov 2025 #174

I just listened to the videos Cirsium Nov 2025 #180

Then you should be able to summarize what they said in those videos Martin Eden Nov 2025 #186

Sure Cirsium Nov 2025 #191

I hear what you're saying, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #6

Yes. Electing Democrats is the path we need to take. MineralMan Nov 2025 #21

Electing ... Progressive... Democrats is the path we need to take. luv2fly Nov 2025 #29

I vote to elect one House members and two Senators. MineralMan Nov 2025 #30

I don't disagree with you fundamentally luv2fly Nov 2025 #35

Exactly right. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2025 #70

You know, it is interesting that "vote blue no matter who" OrwellwasRight Nov 2025 #113

That is not true. We elect based on the state. This isn't right or left. Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #185

Can we even disagree on policy among ourselves without personal insults? Walleye Nov 2025 #8

I reread my OP. Who did I insult, personally? MineralMan Nov 2025 #25

Not you, just a general tone of the response to this Walleye Nov 2025 #26

Not me? Then who were you directing that towards? MineralMan Nov 2025 #27

I'm sorry that's the way you took it. I really didn't mean it that way. Walleye Nov 2025 #28

So what is your opinion of these Mikie Sherrill quotes? gab13by13 Nov 2025 #42

7 Dems. 1 Ind. niyad Nov 2025 #99

F#*king dems caved. pamdb Nov 2025 #10

and for a few days I actually thought we had a chance for a bluewave midterm, I'm back to reality now. nt yaesu Nov 2025 #34

I am right there with you... berksdem Nov 2025 #66

Agreed StarryNite Nov 2025 #89

+ 1000 hamsterjill Nov 2025 #140

Exactly! StarryNite Nov 2025 #142

I will be back, n/t rzemanfl Nov 2025 #109

Tell that to the "moderates." luv2fly Nov 2025 #11

And look at who they aimed it at. We need new leadership. Autumn Nov 2025 #16

And then they shot everybody relying on the ACA in the back. Efilroft Sul Nov 2025 #17

I'm telling it to everyone. MineralMan Nov 2025 #23

Not according to Mikie Sherrill, she is a fighter, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #44

The elected Dems do the circular firing squad themselves awesomerwb1 Nov 2025 #12

"Holding out longer wouldn't make their renewal more likely." J_William_Ryan Nov 2025 #14

You are wrong. They must know how much we want them to fight boston bean Nov 2025 #24

Well, umm, when millions of Americans lose their healthcare next year I'm sure they will be very forgiving yaesu Nov 2025 #31

If we were all United against tyranny some Dems wouldn't consistently be giving Trump what he wants v Nanjeanne Nov 2025 #32

We were always up against the reality that Trump and the GOP truly don't care Ocelot II Nov 2025 #33

Please stop with being complicit. hamsterjill Nov 2025 #36

Hear, hear Cirsium Nov 2025 #72

Thank you. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #181

No need for straw men. This "deal" is bullshit. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #39

Maybe The Defectors Should Be Lectured Instead? And Then.... ColoringFool Nov 2025 #40

Tread lightly, ForgedCrank Nov 2025 #41

"There must be a good reason, but they haven't told us" is a poor reason to trust the eight muriel_volestrangler Nov 2025 #45

Yes, ForgedCrank Nov 2025 #47

If you think that giving in on the ACA subsidies won't compromise the mid terms you and Autumn Nov 2025 #46

I won't ForgedCrank Nov 2025 #50

This Merrick Garland redux Arazi Nov 2025 #58

If a choice is impossible to live with it should not be voted on by anyone with a conscience. Autumn Nov 2025 #59

Ok, let's ForgedCrank Nov 2025 #67

None of that. Moderate Dems live their lives by compromise. All while ignoring the fact Autumn Nov 2025 #102

I agree with some of what you're saying SARose Nov 2025 #56

Fat kaks inconvenienced by air restrictions Ponietz Nov 2025 #111

When the enhanced ACA subsidies were added to the American Rescue Plan in 2021, they were always temporary MichMan Nov 2025 #48

For the average person, nothing is real until it actually happens to them. MineralMan Nov 2025 #51

You make a lot of sense! Felicita Nov 2025 #81

Thank you. I try, and base my ideas on history. MineralMan Nov 2025 #83

D'accord! Mme. Defarge Nov 2025 #52

Merci! MineralMan Nov 2025 #53

Let's stop rescuing republicans from their own messes C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #55

Let's stop rescuing republicans from their own messes +💯 -nt CrispyQ Nov 2025 #76

I've yet to see a list of what we got that wasn't there before, CrispyQ Nov 2025 #61

I appreciate your voice of reason Keepthesoulalive Nov 2025 #62

"Our party is not homogeneous" BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #63

I would also point out that Bettie Nov 2025 #64

Yes and the people with large sums of money to donate questionseverything Nov 2025 #134

Indeed.... Bettie Nov 2025 #136

OK but lets be laser focused on the 50 State Strategy IbogaProject Nov 2025 #67

Here we go again. UNREC. nt TBF Nov 2025 #73

Well, not "OK" exactly, but what other choice do we have? Jersey Devil Nov 2025 #77

Yes, exactly. MineralMan Nov 2025 #82

Get wrecked on your copium. We lost. Everything. So please don't try to excuse it. Mr.WeRP Nov 2025 #79

One battle is not the war. MineralMan Nov 2025 #85

I prefer the firing squad over the unconditional surrender perpetrated by this Gang of 8. LonePirate Nov 2025 #84

Do you? Well, get in one of the circles then. MineralMan Nov 2025 #86

I was wondering orangecrush Nov 2025 #87

Thus, spake the ever-moderating voice from above. n/t xocetaceans Nov 2025 #90

I'm not a moderator of anything. Nor do I wish to be. MineralMan Nov 2025 #92

Rather, you post chiding maxims. And seem to have missed the point of the post--purposefully, I imagine. But you do you. xocetaceans Nov 2025 #95

I post what I post and then read the responses. MineralMan Nov 2025 #97

Right now I'm thinking JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #93

What a glib "let them eat cake" response. Spoken like someone pinkstarburst Nov 2025 #94

This is correct radicalleft Nov 2025 #107

Really tired of that phrase LPBBEAR Nov 2025 #96

The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants. Albert Camus Ping Tung Nov 2025 #101

The Plague - Camus died age 46. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #103

PLEASE!!! LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #106

MM I respect the heck out of you angrychair Nov 2025 #108

Well, we will find out if there's a price for them to pay. MineralMan Nov 2025 #114

You can say that here SamuelTheThird Nov 2025 #138

This was a betrayal. MontanaMama Nov 2025 #139

I can't get that song from "Candide" out of my head. "What a day, what a day, for an auto-da-fe." betsuni Nov 2025 #141

It wouldn't be DU without one.... GoCubsGo Nov 2025 #143

Too late ‼️‼️ flying-skeleton Nov 2025 #145

The voice of one crying in the wilderness. TomSlick Nov 2025 #148

Once I recover from getting stabbed in the back Hassler Nov 2025 #149

Nope, they got to go ebbie15644 Nov 2025 #151

You need to direct this message to the 7 or 8 who defected to tyrrany. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2025 #152

That's the last thing I want, but what was accomplished? ecstatic Nov 2025 #153

If you couldn't put food on your table or pay your rent, how long would you be willing to wait? onenote Nov 2025 #155

We hate that repubs are so great at spin. We also should hate that we're so bad at it. onenote Nov 2025 #154

Excellent analysis... Many thanks! 👍 QueerDuck Nov 2025 #166

We always eat our own, then whine about losing krawhitham Nov 2025 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2025 #159

No, we were not. MineralMan Nov 2025 #161

MM I respect you. But we have leaders who won't stand with us and fight with Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #182

I do have to admit that there seems to be some tension out there. I would think that that's allowed, after all, that's SWBTATTReg Nov 2025 #187

OK. But tell the "moderate" pols to cease fire first. Ping Tung Nov 2025 #190