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ericjhensal

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Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:41 AM Nov 11

Is it ethical for Democrats to keep SNAP recipients in a protest without their consent? [View all]

]https://erichensal.substack.com/p/consent-for-protest?utm_source=democraticunderground&utm_medium=forum&utm_campaign=consent_for_protest&utm_content=discussion_post

How ethical is it to make children go without food for a political fight without any consent?

For every person talking about senators “caving” to Trump—you are not getting call after call about hungry children back home. If your voicemails were filled with people pleading for food, your attitude on “caving” would change if you could prevent that hunger. If a progressive screams about Schumer f’cking up without giving consent to protest serious thought, we must discuss ethics in political strategy—now.

It is immoral enough that shutdowns injure federal employees, putting them into difficult financial situations and creating unwarranted family stress. But within the civil service culture there has been for decades an understanding that shutdowns are always possible. These are never a surprise, giving workers time to plan and save to get through one. Then, at the end, federal employees will be paid. So, while powerless to prevent shutdowns and often forced to work without pay, it is, sadly, a hazard people knowingly accept when swearing their oath to the Constitution as civil servants. And we should thank them for their service.

For the rest of us, a shutdown presents a range of inconveniences we do not choose, from air travel reductions to closed national parks. However, Social Security checks go out and essential functions continue. But the trauma Trump inflicts on people receiving SNAP is different. Accepting SNAP benefits is not a political decision, but one made for survival. There is no history of SNAP being cut off during a shutdown. This is new ground to fight on, and people on SNAP did not sign up to fight in the first place.

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Is it ethical to let them die from lack of medical care orangecrush Nov 11 #1
Apparently Cirsium Nov 11 #32
Theoretically you can still get health care if you don't have insurance. You can't go without food. n/t valleyrogue Nov 11 #36
Theoretically orangecrush Nov 11 #40
is it ethical to let 50,000+ Americans die each year from lack of healthcare without their consent? nt yaesu Nov 11 #2
Is it ethical to let 43 million people starve to death? n/t valleyrogue Nov 11 #37
Wut. SSJVegeta Nov 11 #3
That's ridiculous. Follow that & everyone would only be allowed to speak for themselves. bucolic_frolic Nov 11 #4
It was not legal for the con artist to take away their benefits Quiet Em Nov 11 #5
Well which will be more catastrophic for us all? Stargleamer Nov 11 #6
Offers no proof of these calls... lame54 Nov 11 #7
A lot of these apologist articles are popping up, wonder how much putin is paying the influencers/bloggers? yaesu Nov 11 #8
One of them from someone who only has 8 posts since joining in 2020. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 11 #15
Why would Putin want apologist articles for Democrats? AZJonnie Nov 11 #27
Definitely a weird comment. tritsofme Nov 11 #33
so all the GOP needs to do is threaten to hurt people... mike_c Nov 11 #9
And here we go again, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 11 #10
So, in this wealthiest country in the world, you buy into the narrative Scrivener7 Nov 11 #11
Which should you choose? Seems to me it's a Kobayashi Maru. Ocelot II Nov 11 #12
Neither. November SNAP went out and we were close Scrivener7 Nov 11 #13
The Senate deal fully funds SNAP with an increase in appropriations until the end of the fiscal year (Sept. 30, 2026). lapucelle Nov 11 #17
Again, we were on the verge of getting SNAP protected anyway. So I'll put you in the Scrivener7 Nov 11 #25
Well said, gab13by13 Nov 11 #26
"It was probably going to happen anyway" is such an *interesting* take, especially when the bill passed last night lapucelle Nov 11 #39
"I'm putting my faith in republicans standing by their word rather than in Justice Jackson" Scrivener7 Nov 11 #45
What are you talking about? If Johnson makes any changes to the bill passed by the Senate lapucelle Nov 11 #47
+1 leftstreet Nov 11 #21
No. It's the trolley problem. Layzeebeaver Nov 11 #20
The Kobayashi Maru has a solution ericjhensal Nov 11 #24
The Senate deal fully funds SNAP (with an increase in appropriations) until Sept. 30, 2026, lapucelle Nov 11 #14
The food situation is immediate. The ACA subsidies are 1.5 months away. And if after all of this, we can't draft Silent Type Nov 11 #16
I Don't Understand Your Premise. Do We Vote On... ColoringFool Nov 11 #18
The "One Big Ugly Bill" cut SNAP benefits and added work requirements. Those recipients that walkingman Nov 11 #19
So many new people here lately leftstreet Nov 11 #22
If we made people go hungry for a few months, what could be gained and what would we leave behind? ericjhensal Nov 11 #23
Again, November SNAP went out, and we were on the verge of restoring it permanently. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #29
SNAP benefits were going to be restored without the CR. gab13by13 Nov 11 #30
I'm a SNAP recipient BeerBarrelPolka Nov 11 #42
I'll be without health insurance and healthcare on January 1 Arazi Nov 11 #28
Losing your insurance is wrong ericjhensal Nov 11 #31
Are you of the belief that people were asked to sacrifice and go without adequate food? Quiet Em Nov 11 #41
We were/are a day (or a few days at most) of SCOTUS ordering SNAP restored Arazi Nov 11 #43
November SNAP went out, and the courts were about to restore it permanently. NO ONE Scrivener7 Nov 11 #46
It is as ethical (or unethical) as every and any other vote which Congress takes. RockRaven Nov 11 #34
Don't forget that cutting SNAP is the GOP plan Ritabert Nov 11 #35
Huh. malaise Nov 11 #38
Under the circumstances... -misanthroptimist Nov 11 #44
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