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Jackpine Radical

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50. My question had nothing to do with guns.

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:48 PM

Dec 2012

I was asking about the recidivism rate among sex offenders.

We all want to eliminate sex offenses. However, I suspect, that, to large extent, the sex offender lists, notifications, etc. actually raise the likelihood of recidivism.
For example, I should think it would be very difficult to get a job or even find a place to live once you have been placed on a list. For example, try to find a place to live that is not within 1000 feet of a school, church, playground, or whatever. I would imagine that being on the list subjects offenders who have served their time to a whole host of economic, physical and psychological stresses that would increase their likelihood of re-offending. Is there evidence that the lists etc. have actually made us safer?

The person to whom I addressed the question said recidivism is high. I would like the reference for that statement.

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A Guy Now On CNN Just Criticized The NY Newspaper That Published Names/Addresses Of Gun Owners By... [View all] global1 Dec 2012 OP

But, but, but we NEEDS THE PRECIOUS RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #2

What does any honest, responsible gun owner have to hide? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #4

I enjoy controlling the impression I make on nosey people slackmaster Dec 2012 #5

HA!!, I knew some nitwit would say that, didn't think it would only take 4 posts though. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #45

Well, answwer the question then. What do you have to hide. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #48

I think there's a little fourth amentment left. rrneck Dec 2012 #76

This is neither a search nor a seizure. Again, what do you have to hide? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #81

Searches are conducted to secure incriminating evidence. Seizures secure the evidence. rrneck Dec 2012 #82

It is public record ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #94

I don't have to make such a claim. rrneck Dec 2012 #111

If you have a gun, you are, by definition, a danger BlueStreak Dec 2012 #113

Prove it. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #114

based on your attitude, you must of been a patriot act supporter. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #140

her gun from burglars arely staircase Dec 2012 #125

I Hope You Understand That I'm All For Publishing This Information ...... global1 Dec 2012 #7

The FFs didn't anticipate computers or the Internet either, yet the First Amendment still applies. slackmaster Dec 2012 #8

So all government data should be published? Like names of people receiving public assistance? hack89 Dec 2012 #53

All kinds of information is readily available abelenkpe Dec 2012 #58

So lists of people on public assistance should be in the paper? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #64

I don't know are they? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #67

Is there any limit on what personal information the government can publish? hack89 Dec 2012 #69

I answered your question abelenkpe Dec 2012 #71

You must have loved the Patriot Act and the Terrorist watch list. hack89 Dec 2012 #72

What is wrong with the notion that all public information should be public? hack89 Dec 2012 #73

When did I say I was afraid of total transparency? abelenkpe Dec 2012 #78

So any information on any potential threat is your standard? hack89 Dec 2012 #80

OMG abelenkpe Dec 2012 #86

Publishing the address of someone who might be hiding from an abusive spouse is one reason. randome Dec 2012 #89

No you can't. hack89 Dec 2012 #93

Yes you can abelenkpe Dec 2012 #98

If my guns were not registered hack89 Dec 2012 #99

You are on a public board talking about the unregistered guns you own abelenkpe Dec 2012 #109

Only with a warrant hack89 Dec 2012 #122

I'll be happy to do that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #124

Some Delicate Flowers bongbong Dec 2012 #84

You need to take some basic reading comprehension classes abelenkpe Dec 2012 #87

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #100

If you want to know RantinRavin Dec 2012 #112

I do abelenkpe Dec 2012 #117

Recall petition signers reteachinwi Dec 2012 #79

Hey they publish sexual preditors list. aandegoons Dec 2012 #11

There are many Web sites where you can get that informatoin slackmaster Dec 2012 #12

As there also should be for gun hoarders. aandegoons Dec 2012 #13

Your false equivalency is an epic fail. Collecting guns isn't a crime. slackmaster Dec 2012 #15

And sexual preditors already paid for their crime. aandegoons Dec 2012 #24

If you carry water for sexual predators, you too are a sexual predator slackmaster Dec 2012 #29

Interesting. aandegoons Dec 2012 #37

something better? I thought that was perfect :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #46

You are wrong. Jenoch Dec 2012 #52

Sexual predators are criminals. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #22

They already paid for their crime. aandegoons Dec 2012 #25

And the likelihood of them re-offending is very high proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #27

And the liklihood that legally obtained guns will be used to kill innocent people is also high RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30

Of 300,000,000 guns, there were 8,583 firearms used to kill people in 2011. X_Digger Dec 2012 #65

Nice deflection bongbong Dec 2012 #85

I addressed what the poster actually said. X_Digger Dec 2012 #95

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #102

Damn those pesky misleading facts getting in the way of a good rant. X_Digger Dec 2012 #105

Agreed bongbong Dec 2012 #107

Got a link to your OP yet? n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #108

My OP? bongbong Dec 2012 #116

Yes, your 'tip of the iceberg' post with the 'twue' stats. X_Digger Dec 2012 #118

You'll be the first to know! bongbong Dec 2012 #120

How high? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #31

How high is high enough? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #49

My question had nothing to do with guns. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #50

I assume you've looked at the numbers, too? X_Digger Dec 2012 #60

Yes, I'm pretty much up to date on all that. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #119

You have my full support, for whatever value it serves. X_Digger Dec 2012 #121

As is the likely hood of a gun nutter gunning down children. aandegoons Dec 2012 #35

I'm curious. Is "painfully stupid" just an expression, or are you actually in some discomfort? 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #47

See post #52. Jenoch Dec 2012 #54

That is not accurate. Part of the penaly for a sex crime conviction is having to register. slackmaster Dec 2012 #74

being a sexual predator is against the law Skittles Dec 2012 #77

Like the sexual predator's list BlueStreak Dec 2012 #3

But there you go again billh58 Dec 2012 #9

Don't let the kids play at the house? jp76 Dec 2012 #26

And another recruit billh58 Dec 2012 #43

In situations where children Jenoch Dec 2012 #56

"The neighbor's kid at fault"? Surely you didn't mean that BlueStreak Dec 2012 #139

I'm really not sure how I feel about this. HappyMe Dec 2012 #6

I live in Florida, with the Sunshine Law csziggy Dec 2012 #23

I think it's all creepy. HappyMe Dec 2012 #28

Given where I live, I am used to seeing open carry csziggy Dec 2012 #39

I just don't worry enough about it HappyMe Dec 2012 #41

I don't like being around a gun with no apparent purpose csziggy Dec 2012 #62

If it's 'concealed carry' then there isn't HappyMe Dec 2012 #70

Yes, thank you for that. Sadiedog Dec 2012 #92

The Clackamas, Oregon mall shooter killed Jenoch Dec 2012 #59

Curious NeedleCast Dec 2012 #10

In Florida, that information is public csziggy Dec 2012 #40

Very comfortable, and billh58 Dec 2012 #55

I'm not a gun owner and I don't agree with what that newspaper did. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #14

With rights come responsibilities; with actions come consequences. slackmaster Dec 2012 #16

Most ironic post of the year RomneyLies Dec 2012 #32

I keep my guns locked up slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

They technically didn't do anything ILLEGAL. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #33

It was a dumb stunt, wasn't it? randome Dec 2012 #17

I have been fingerprinted HockeyMom Dec 2012 #18

I don't think anyone is saying it's not legal. They are talking about ethical. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #20

My teaching license renewal reteachinwi Dec 2012 #88

So your argument is that technology can be used to bolster prior amendments.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #19

The list is only of those who bought guns legally in recent years? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #21

In order to get a private kennel license.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #34

+1 reteachinwi Dec 2012 #90

Checks and Balances jp76 Dec 2012 #38

Ah, and here it comes. billh58 Dec 2012 #44

I've been of two minds on this and still don't know how I feel Arcanetrance Dec 2012 #42

the usual rank hypocrisy of the gun apologist villager Dec 2012 #51

Unfortunately, this can be a batterer/stalker's dream database. SeattleVet Dec 2012 #57

Thank you. HappyMe Dec 2012 #63

You can get a person's address and phone number online HockeyMom Dec 2012 #104

The newspaper reporter Jenoch Dec 2012 #61

That changes nothing. 99Forever Dec 2012 #66

Since I don't live in New York Jenoch Dec 2012 #126

People seem to have trouble with the concept treestar Dec 2012 #68

It is possible to keep your name out of public property records. I know a man who did that... slackmaster Dec 2012 #75

Trusts, estates and corporations can own property treestar Dec 2012 #131

I've no idea why the Delicate Flowers are so upset bongbong Dec 2012 #83

Has it ever occurred to you that some of those several thousand people could be crime victims? slackmaster Dec 2012 #91

I thought gun owners were honest law-abiding people. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #96

Dangerous people are a danger to the public slackmaster Dec 2012 #97

Very few murderers DON'T have guns, so I hope you can see why it is relevant BlueStreak Dec 2012 #103

Very few people who DO have legally owned guns ever commit murder or any other violent crime slackmaster Dec 2012 #127

Very few people who have cars crash into a school bus killing 50 children BlueStreak Dec 2012 #128

Facts bongbong Dec 2012 #101

For example, take the NRA idea to arm all school teachers BlueStreak Dec 2012 #106

Agreed bongbong Dec 2012 #115

To answer my own question, here is how I would rank those outcomes BlueStreak Dec 2012 #129

Then perhaps they shouldn't have voluntarily released that information publicly? Nevernose Dec 2012 #130

Are you suggesting that people in that category should have not gotten permits for their guns? slackmaster Dec 2012 #132

My issue with the list is this: Marrah_G Dec 2012 #110

Our Forefathers Did Not Anticipate Semi Automatic Weapons And The Gun Enabler Clan Called The NRA cantbeserious Dec 2012 #123

The First Amendment was written at a time when nobody anticipated computers or the Internet slackmaster Dec 2012 #133

False Equivalency - Nice Try Using The NRA Talking Point cantbeserious Dec 2012 #134

If a very clever gunsmith in the 1780s had managed to craft a semiautomatic breech-loader... slackmaster Dec 2012 #135

Times Change - Still False Equivalency i.e. Misdirection - More NRA Nonsense cantbeserious Dec 2012 #136

You make an excellent point Tsiyu Dec 2012 #137

I heard about this. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #138

"they didn't anticipate semi-automatic and automatic weapons and clips/magazines that hold multiple" crazyjoe Dec 2012 #141