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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Wiz Imp
(10,089 posts)18. OMG. You are wrong. You have been proven wrong again and again yet you continue to deny it.
Sorry, but whether you admit it or not, you are wrong.
What part of this don't you understand??????
The resolution (H. Res. 581) is strictly a procedural mechanism to amend and force the vote on HR 185 which will carry the requirements for the files to be released.
The discharge petition is for H.Res. 581 because it is the resolution that provides the procedural mechanism to bring a bill (H.R. 185) to the House floor for a vote, not the bill itself. A discharge petition is used to force a bill from committee to the full House for consideration. In this case, H.R. 185 is the bill being discharged, but H.Res. 581 is the resolution that will be discharged by the petition. HR 185 will be amended by H Res 581
The discharge petition is for H.Res. 581 because it is the resolution that provides the procedural mechanism to bring a bill (H.R. 185) to the House floor for a vote, not the bill itself. A discharge petition is used to force a bill from committee to the full House for consideration. In this case, H.R. 185 is the bill being discharged, but H.Res. 581 is the resolution that will be discharged by the petition. HR 185 will be amended by H Res 581
There is no "broader direction" in H Res. 581 (NOT HR 581 which is a completely unrelated bill).
Notice the title:
Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies.
The purpose of H.Res 581 is strictly to consider H.R. 185.
First paragraph of H.Res 581:
Resolved, That immediately upon adoption of this resolution, the House shall proceed to the consideration in the House of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies. All points of order against consideration of the bill are waived. The amendment in the nature of a substitute specified in section 4 of this resolution shall be considered as adopted. The bill, as amended, shall be considered as read. All points of order against provisions in the bill, as amended, are waived. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill, as amended, and on any further amendment thereto, to final passage without intervening motion except: (1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary or their respective designees; and (2) one motion to recommit.
Everything that follows that first sentence refers to the BILL HR 185. The SOLE purpose of H. Res 581 is to force the vote on the Epstein Transparency Act. Period. There is nothing else to it.
Call your Representative. They will explain to you that you are wrong and I am right. If you continue to deny reality, then in a couple weeks when the vote takes place, you will be proven wrong once and for all at which time I expect an apology from you and an admission that you did not know what you were talking about.
Here is the full text on H.Res. 581
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text
H. RES. 581
Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 15, 2025
Mr. Massie (for himself and Mr. Khanna) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Rules
RESOLUTION
Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies.
Resolved, That immediately upon adoption of this resolution, the House shall proceed to the consideration in the House of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies. All points of order against consideration of the bill are waived. The amendment in the nature of a substitute specified in section 4 of this resolution shall be considered as adopted. The bill, as amended, shall be considered as read. All points of order against provisions in the bill, as amended, are waived. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill, as amended, and on any further amendment thereto, to final passage without intervening motion except: (1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary or their respective designees; and (2) one motion to recommit.
Sec. 2. Clause 1(c) of rule XIX and clause 8 of rule XX shall not apply to the consideration of H.R. 185.
Sec. 3. The Clerk shall transmit to the Senate a message that the House has passed H.R. 185 no later than one week after passage.
Sec. 4. The amendment in the nature of a substitute referred to in the first section of this resolution is as follows:
Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the following:
SECTION 1. Short title.
This Act may be cited as the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
SEC. 2. Release of documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein.
(a) In general.Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall, subject to subsection (b), make publicly available in a searchable and downloadable format all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in the possession of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Attorneys Offices, that relate to:
(1) Jeffrey Epstein including all investigations, prosecutions, or custodial matters.
(2) Ghislaine Maxwell.
(3) Flight logs or travel records, including but not limited to manifests, itineraries, pilot records, and customs or immigration documentation, for any aircraft, vessel, or vehicle owned, operated, or used by Jeffrey Epstein or any related entity.
(4) Individuals, including government officials, named or referenced in connection with Epsteins criminal activities, civil settlements, immunity or plea agreements, or investigatory proceedings.
(5) Entities (corporate, nonprofit, academic, or governmental) with known or alleged ties to Epsteins trafficking or financial networks.
(6) Any immunity deals, non-prosecution agreements, plea bargains, or sealed settlements involving Epstein or his associates.
(7) Internal DOJ communications, including emails, memos, meeting notes, concerning decisions to charge, not charge, investigate, or decline to investigate Epstein or his associates.
(8) All communications, memoranda, directives, logs, or metadata concerning the destruction, deletion, alteration, misplacement, or concealment of documents, recordings, or electronic data related to Epstein, his associates, his detention and death, or any investigative files.
(9) Documentation of Epsteins detention or death, including incident reports, witness interviews, medical examiner files, autopsy reports, and written records detailing the circumstances and cause of death.
(b) Prohibited grounds for withholding.No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of any of the following:
(1) Embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary.
(c) Permitted withholdings.
(1) The Attorney General may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that
(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(B) depicts or contains child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 22522252A;
(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;
(D) depicts or contains images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person; or
(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.
(2) All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress.
(3) To the extent that any covered information would otherwise be redacted or withheld as classified information under this section, the Attorney General shall declassify that classified information to the maximum extent possible.
(A). If the Attorney General makes a determination that covered information may not be declassified and made available in a manner that protects the national security of the United States, including methods or sources related to national security, the Attorney General shall release an unclassified summary for each of the redacted or withheld classified information.
(4) All decisions to classify any covered information after July 1, 2025 shall be published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress, including the date of classification, the identity of the classifying authority, and an unclassified summary of the justification.
SEC. 3. Report to Congress.
Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:
(1) All categories of records released and withheld.
(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.
(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)..
Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 15, 2025
Mr. Massie (for himself and Mr. Khanna) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Rules
RESOLUTION
Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies.
Resolved, That immediately upon adoption of this resolution, the House shall proceed to the consideration in the House of the bill (H.R. 185) to advance responsible policies. All points of order against consideration of the bill are waived. The amendment in the nature of a substitute specified in section 4 of this resolution shall be considered as adopted. The bill, as amended, shall be considered as read. All points of order against provisions in the bill, as amended, are waived. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill, as amended, and on any further amendment thereto, to final passage without intervening motion except: (1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary or their respective designees; and (2) one motion to recommit.
Sec. 2. Clause 1(c) of rule XIX and clause 8 of rule XX shall not apply to the consideration of H.R. 185.
Sec. 3. The Clerk shall transmit to the Senate a message that the House has passed H.R. 185 no later than one week after passage.
Sec. 4. The amendment in the nature of a substitute referred to in the first section of this resolution is as follows:
Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the following:
SECTION 1. Short title.
This Act may be cited as the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
SEC. 2. Release of documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein.
(a) In general.Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall, subject to subsection (b), make publicly available in a searchable and downloadable format all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in the possession of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Attorneys Offices, that relate to:
(1) Jeffrey Epstein including all investigations, prosecutions, or custodial matters.
(2) Ghislaine Maxwell.
(3) Flight logs or travel records, including but not limited to manifests, itineraries, pilot records, and customs or immigration documentation, for any aircraft, vessel, or vehicle owned, operated, or used by Jeffrey Epstein or any related entity.
(4) Individuals, including government officials, named or referenced in connection with Epsteins criminal activities, civil settlements, immunity or plea agreements, or investigatory proceedings.
(5) Entities (corporate, nonprofit, academic, or governmental) with known or alleged ties to Epsteins trafficking or financial networks.
(6) Any immunity deals, non-prosecution agreements, plea bargains, or sealed settlements involving Epstein or his associates.
(7) Internal DOJ communications, including emails, memos, meeting notes, concerning decisions to charge, not charge, investigate, or decline to investigate Epstein or his associates.
(8) All communications, memoranda, directives, logs, or metadata concerning the destruction, deletion, alteration, misplacement, or concealment of documents, recordings, or electronic data related to Epstein, his associates, his detention and death, or any investigative files.
(9) Documentation of Epsteins detention or death, including incident reports, witness interviews, medical examiner files, autopsy reports, and written records detailing the circumstances and cause of death.
(b) Prohibited grounds for withholding.No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of any of the following:
(1) Embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary.
(c) Permitted withholdings.
(1) The Attorney General may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that
(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(B) depicts or contains child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 22522252A;
(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;
(D) depicts or contains images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person; or
(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.
(2) All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress.
(3) To the extent that any covered information would otherwise be redacted or withheld as classified information under this section, the Attorney General shall declassify that classified information to the maximum extent possible.
(A). If the Attorney General makes a determination that covered information may not be declassified and made available in a manner that protects the national security of the United States, including methods or sources related to national security, the Attorney General shall release an unclassified summary for each of the redacted or withheld classified information.
(4) All decisions to classify any covered information after July 1, 2025 shall be published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress, including the date of classification, the identity of the classifying authority, and an unclassified summary of the justification.
SEC. 3. Report to Congress.
Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:
(1) All categories of records released and withheld.
(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.
(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)..
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I believe if it's released they will edit trump out of everything. Why wouldn't they??
mucifer
Nov 2025
#2
If they could do that so easily, they would have already done it and released them.
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#10
Unless it is part of their plan to eventually release it and it will only implicate guilty democrats
mucifer
Nov 2025
#17
The only thing the Resolution requires is forcing a vote on HR.185. That is it. Nothing else.
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#7
OMG. You are wrong. You have been proven wrong again and again yet you continue to deny it.
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#18
Thank you! I'm sorry to be such a jerk about it, but I know from your posts that you are generally
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#25
The resolution (H. Res. 581) is strictly a procedural mechanism to amend and force the vote on HR 185 which will carry
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#6
He will veto it. Wonder if that would toss more Dem votes our way in the
allegorical oracle
Nov 2025
#16
Right. He will never sign it. But each step along the way weakens him further and turns more of public opinion
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#22
It would need 60 votes for cloture (which I'm sure some Republican would require).
Wiz Imp
Nov 2025
#23
Until last week, I thought it unlikely the House would vote at all on it, let alone vote yes.
Torchlight
Nov 2025
#24