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31. There are three documents signed by the grand jury foreperson
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 02:22 PM
Nov 17

True bill (indictment) with two counts L https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.582136/gov.uscourts.vaed.582136.1.0_13.pdf

Report of Grand Jury's Failure to Concur in an Indictment and, attached, copy of True Bill with three counts.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.582136/gov.uscourts.vaed.582136.3.0_8.pdf

What this suggests is that the grand jury was presented with a three count indictment that it signed. It also was presented with the standard blank form used when the Grand Jury doesn't indict. That form on its face would apply to a total reaction of an indictment, but was amended by the hand-written insertion of the words "Count 1 Only".

What is unclear is when each of these document was given to the Grand Jury and when they were signed and who filled in and amended the no true bill form -- which is a standard form.

One scenario is that the Grand Jury foreperson was presented with a three-count indictment and the no true bill form at the same time. I don't know if this is a standard procedure or whether the no true bill form is only given the the foreperson after they've voted on the proposed indictment. But even if the original proposed indictment and the no true bill form were signed by the foreperson at the same time, there is no reason to think that they were also given the two count indictment until after foreperson signed the three count indictment and the no true bill form.

We don't have access to the transcript of the proceeding before the judge when these documents were presented but it obviously doesn't provide information that satisfied the judge that the matter was handled or described properly.

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Wow, that's a legal black swan event! Ocelot II Nov 17 #1
Do they have all of it? gab13by13 Nov 17 #6
Apparently there were no lapses; that is, nothing is actually missing. Ocelot II Nov 17 #14
Is she this bad Johonny Nov 17 #20
Probably both. She obviously doesn't know what she's doing, Ocelot II Nov 17 #21
These cases against the people that stood up to him in his first term MissouriDem47 Nov 17 #34
There are three documents signed by the grand jury foreperson onenote Nov 17 #31
Pam Bondi has destroyed the court's usual deference to the DOJ Arazi Nov 17 #2
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Nov 17 #3
Department of Justice? Department of CORRUPTION. spanone Nov 17 #4
Department of Injustice. nt MarineCombatEngineer Nov 17 #7
PERFECT!! bluestarone Nov 17 #29
It is actually beyondtimes Nov 17 #36
SAD. trumps DOJ ordered to do their job, properly and by the book BOSSHOG Nov 17 #5
She can still be AG even if she's disbarred Arazi Nov 17 #11
Thank You BOSSHOG Nov 17 #12
Read my post below, it doesn't seem she can, she would no longer have a law license, which is a requirement, thus Escurumbele Nov 17 #25
Thank You BOSSHOG Nov 17 #32
Disbar her anyway. She needs to suffer personal consequences Mr.WeRP Nov 17 #13
It doesn't seem like she can. Escurumbele Nov 17 #24
This case is collapsing faster than the Trump economy. Happy Hoosier Nov 17 #8
Maybe he could impose tariffs. BOSSHOG Nov 17 #10
I'm glad that Fitzgerald is running an aggressive speedy trial offense here Prairie Gates Nov 17 #9
Huge slap in DOJ's face. Pepsidog Nov 17 #15
Maybe that slap will knock the shit off of Pam Bondi's nose. Emile Nov 17 #16
Perfect! MayReasonRule Nov 17 #26
When we regain power -- and we will -- anyone taking part in these sham investigations and prosecutions... W_HAMILTON Nov 17 #17
K&R red dog 1 Nov 17 #18
Democracy Docket-Judge Sees 'Profound Investigative Missteps' in Trump's Comey Prosecution LetMyPeopleVote Nov 17 #19
Duh! malaise Nov 17 #22
Stay tuned for another episode of, "Halligan's Lie-land"! A Donald Trump production. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 17 #23
What's that old saying? "Things fall apart. The center cannot hold..." calimary Nov 17 #27
That sounds like a whole lot of legalese. I'm not really sure Halligan will get the message. flashman13 Nov 17 #28
disbar her and file perjury charges against her moonshinegnomie Nov 17 #30
No one in this administration can be trusted. The fish rots from the head. surfered Nov 17 #33
Fitzmas may actually happen this year and not just in 24 business hours. madinmaryland Nov 17 #35
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