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AtheistCrusader

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26. I wouldn't know.

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:01 PM

Dec 2012

I participate in actual training, so I'm not your average CPL holder.

Again, we defeat trained officers, or at least some of them, regularly. It happens. And yes, there are significant physiological problems that occur in that sort of scenario. But the deck is heavily stacked due to the nature of the scenario. An honest journalistic piece would at least warn the viewer of that, and there is no purpose at all to the assigned seating, besides making it as hard as possible for the 'victim' to fight back.

It smacks of the Fox News piece on 'stoned drivers', where they used a CDL simulator for people who had no commercial truck experience or training at all, to stack the deck, as Fox News caters to the anti-drug conservative crowd.

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Study: You Are Not Actually Bruce Willis, It Turns Out! [View all] PeaceNikki Dec 2012 OP

We know, we know, it is a total surprise Flashmann Dec 2012 #1

you do realize oddoneout Dec 2012 #2

You still did not watch the video. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #3

it is not a "full-time" job oddoneout Dec 2012 #7

OK, Rambo. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #8

You, sir or madam, are a complete fucking idiot. cliffordu Dec 2012 #31

Fucking crickets cliffordu Dec 2012 #49

wait!!!! i hear a song!!!!! spanone Dec 2012 #51

LOL. cliffordu Dec 2012 #53

ok well what exactly oddoneout Dec 2012 #80

I dunno what the answer is but I know that cliffordu Dec 2012 #85

like I said oddoneout Dec 2012 #86

Sorry - your whole line of..."reasoning".... cliffordu Dec 2012 #87

what oddoneout Dec 2012 #92

What does that have to do with the OP? n/t zappaman Dec 2012 #4

He thinks we should all become cops. No more bad guys = problem solved!!! PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #6

oh yes zappaman Dec 2012 #9

RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH! FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #17

you sir oddoneout Dec 2012 #81

Soooooo sibelian Dec 2012 #5

It's amazing, the weird and irrational "ideas" people come up with Scootaloo Dec 2012 #21

what oddoneout Dec 2012 #82

at least ban guns designed to kill a lot of people quickly noiretextatique Dec 2012 #99

Sorry, but the person you are responding to is no longer here. zappaman Dec 2012 #102

excellent noiretextatique Dec 2012 #103

You know the "criminals don't own guns legally!" is a straw man, right? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #106

Police officers reteachinwi Dec 2012 #12

This is apparently reteachinwi Dec 2012 #47

They get more than six hours of training though, don't they. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #20

You do realize the US friendly fire casualty rate can be as high as 25% of the total casualties. sarge43 Dec 2012 #29

Why Do I Have The Feeling That Under Similar Circumstances, You Would Be Lying In A Puddle Of Your Skraxx Dec 2012 #37

EXACTLY the response I'd expect. Marr Dec 2012 #79

when did i say that oddoneout Dec 2012 #83

a lot of cops get shot datasuspect Dec 2012 #89

Average people train with thier guns by shooting at a target Marrah_G Dec 2012 #94

In addition to being anti-social fuckwits, the gun nuts are delusional assholes alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #10

And also uber-paranoid, it turns out!! PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #11

Is this the one where they gave everyone loose fitting clothing and gloves? N/T beevul Dec 2012 #13

CCW permit holders don't protect innocent people. They kill them. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #14

Data? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #33

CCW holders have killed 499 people, including 14 LEO's and 23 mass murders. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #34

499 shootings out of 9 million people over a five year period. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #36

I trust that report about as much as I would trust one from the NRA rl6214 Dec 2012 #96

I think they made them all wear special shootin' unifurms. Pholus Dec 2012 #18

It turns out that soldiers and cops are not movie heroes, either. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #15

totally off topic abelenkpe Dec 2012 #43

I disagree that it is OT, as the topic is dependent on the fallacy that trained people Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #48

A coworker insists that his friend with a CCL would have stopped the Aurora shooter Orrex Dec 2012 #16

Actually, he doesn't appear to have been armored at all. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #38

Interesting. Thanks for the info! Orrex Dec 2012 #46

Oh yeah? What makes you think I'm not Bruce Willis? lob1 Dec 2012 #19

We are over entertained nt Shankapotomus Dec 2012 #22

I have the same hair MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #23

I have the same hair too, but my aim is true. I just cannot make a witty one liner, damn it! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #27

Maybe we should team up MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #84

I am good at heavy! Lol. I would like to ask you to team up with me. I have convinced a few others Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #93

I am! MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #95

Cool! We should have enough people soon to see CCFR demanded in EVERY POST on DU! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #98

Fuck yeah! MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #100

Have a Patron, Cointreau Margarita on the rocks, w/salt Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #105

I would...but MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #107

Super convenient the 'shooter' knew exactly who in the room had a gun every time. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #24

So.... none of the science about how people react in crisis holds true? PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #25

I wouldn't know. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #26

yup a lot of the training is no win in order to prepare cops for what could happen loli phabay Dec 2012 #58

I have more hair, but riqster Dec 2012 #28

Wow, that video gives me alot more appreciation for the skill of cops. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #30

Some cops are awesome shots. Shoot competitively. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #32

yeah i know a couple of older guys who can outshoot semi autos with a bolt action loli phabay Dec 2012 #60

Bruce Willis the antigun Dec 2012 #35

Can someone please do us all a favor & post that footage of that old man shooting in a video cafe? KittyWampus Dec 2012 #39

Two people were shot. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #40

so much for "miraculous". KittyWampus Dec 2012 #42

Dunno. He hit the two people he was shooting at, at least. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #44

I've had strangers say that I look like Bruce Willis neverforget Dec 2012 #41

crazy video nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #45

How many more times do we need to discuss these foolish videos? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #50

Sorry, I didn't realize that you were Rambo and that none of the theories in it hold true. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #52

I'll give you the cliff notes Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #54

And I bet you still couldn't do SHIT in a mass shooting crisis. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #57

But you automatically assume a cop can do better? Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #67

Nope. I never said that. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #68

Nikki - Mother Of Four Dec 2012 #76

I'm glad I checked one last time before bed. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #77

.. Mother Of Four Dec 2012 #78

Your husband sounds like an amazing man. And I bet he's lucky to have you, too. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #108

What theories in it? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #55

The physical effects of crisis. You aren't Rambo. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #56

Your source not withstanding, you have the right list of effects. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #62

See here for my thoughts on training: PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #64

Your thoughts? Or those of the VPC? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #72

Mine as well. They are logical and scientific. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #73

going off on a tangent here but i think americans in vehicles are the same loli phabay Dec 2012 #74

5raing helps a lot but i feel muscle memory is paramount loli phabay Dec 2012 #66

I ave been in real shoot outs nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59

so you have returned fire and know your limits when stressed loli phabay Dec 2012 #61

Real-Life Differences. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #63

no i know the differences and have experienced them thats why i dont train for the range loli phabay Dec 2012 #69

ok, we have established that you are likely an exception or think you are. Again... PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #70

not agreeing or disagreeing with you just talking personal experience loli phabay Dec 2012 #71

"I ave been in real shoot outs And can testify to quite a bit of it, Rambo." zappaman Dec 2012 #90

Crickets rl6214 Dec 2012 #97

You might want to ask the same question zappaman Dec 2012 #101

I knew!...John McClane, Sarah OConnor, and Rambo were wussies. jmg257 Dec 2012 #65

I prefer to call this the Eastwood Fallacy. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #75

there was a study in the mid 90s datasuspect Dec 2012 #88

Well duh, that's why I like force-on-force training sir pball Dec 2012 #91

Amazin! Care Acutely Dec 2012 #104

Try telling that to the Rambo Masturbators on this board Taverner Dec 2012 #109

I am. I have. It's an exercise in futility. Check this out: PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #110

If you ask me, I think a bunch of angry Republicans have signed up lately Taverner Dec 2012 #111

I just don't get the vicious horrible bullshit she is spewing. It's just vile. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #112

Pretty much. This forum....needs an enema! Taverner Dec 2012 #113