Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Hey Unsensible Emo Prog Firebaggers: This Time I'm *Sure* I Got It Right!!! [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)110. That is an interesting post, alcibiades.
Especially THIS line, delivered with a gloat.
[font size=3]
"They've (The Left) also been exposed as completely ineffective politically."[/font]
---alcibiades_mystery, post#86
"They've (The Left) also been exposed as completely ineffective politically."[/font]
---alcibiades_mystery, post#86
What is interesting about this statement is that The Progressive Caucus
IS the largest and most popular Caucus in the Democratic Party,
and, yet, it HAS been completely ineffective (as you state),
and completely MARGINALIZED by the Democratic Party leadership,
so much so that:
* not a single spokesman for Expanding Medicare was even allowed at the table for the debate on Health Care Reform
*not a single Democrat who voted against the Invasion of Iraq was given a position of authority or power in the Obama Administration
*not a single member of the Progressive Caucus was given a position of authority or power in the Obama cabinet or Administration
You are correct in that The Left has been ineffective,
and I wonder WHY considering that the Issues and Policies that The Left champion
are popular with the Majority of Americans, Democrat & Republican.
Your post started me thinking:
[font size=3]WHY has "The Left" been so ineffective inside the Democratic Party despite supporting traditional Democratic Party Values & Policy?[/font]
I see an clear pattern:
*Paul Wellstone... KIA
*Howard Dean.... discredited, marginalized, banished for cheering too enthusiastically!
*Cynthia McKinney..... attacked, isolated, marginalized, cut off from Party support, expelled
*Eliot Spitzer...... Honey Trapped, discredited, isolated, expelled
*Anthony Wiener..... marginalized, discredited, isolated, expelled
*Russ Feingold.... attacked from The Center, marginalized, isolated from party support, exiled
*Alan Grayson .... attacked from The Center, marginalized, isolated from party support, exiled, won Re-election with hard work and shoe leather running a Grass Roots campaign
*Dennis Kucinich ... attacked from The Center, discredited, marginalized, isolated, redistricted, exiled
*Shirley Sherrod... Blackballed by the Party Leadership over an exaggerated allegation (BY BRIETBART!), expelled
*Van Jones... Blackballed by Party Leadership and expelled over a contrived and over-hyped Republican allegation
*John Edwards.... expelled and demonized for weakness in his personal life that regularly goes unpunished for others
*Dan Rather... set up and bitch slapped by the Conservative Media over a minor offense, and left hanging
The downfall of some of the above can be partially attributed to their own personal foibles,
but in every case, the party leadership was quick to condemn and abandon, and made no effort to embrace or assist any of these Liberals in their time of need. There ARE politicians in BOTH parties guilty of far more serious transgressions who managed to survive their troubles because of Party support.
*Maxine Waters... currently under attack
*The Congressional Black Caucus..... admonished by the President to quit whining, "Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes" and get behind the President's agenda.
(When has he EVER spoken to the "Blue Dogs" like that?)
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-tells-blacks-stop-complainin-fight-015928905.html
*The Progressive Caucus.... no seats in the cabinet, almost none appointed to positions of any power in the Executive Branch, the White House doesn't take their calls.
*ACORN.... quickly thrown under the bus by Party Leadership over a hyped and contrived allegation.
The Party leadership literally could not run away fast enough!
*Organized LABOR... while holding up a facade of supporting Unions, the Party leadership continues to advance Anti-UNION policy (unregulated International Trade with Slave Labor countries), and attack UNIONS as a major problem in Education, Government Employment, and the Work Place.
An "anonymous White House Spokesperson" even ridiculed LABOR for "wasting $10 Million Dollars" by supporting a Pro-LABOR challenger to virulently Anti-UNION Blanche Lincoln in the Arkansas Democratic Primary, 2010.
To rescue Lincoln's failing Primary Campaign, Party Leadership gave Lincoln an Oval Office Endorsement, and even sent Bill Clinton back to Arkansas to help out poor, Anti-LABOR Blanche.
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
*Democratic Primaries 2010.... Strong pattern of endorsing and supporting Blue Dogs and Big Business Conservatives,
even including one "former" Republican running against more Liberal, Pro-Working Class challengers.
(See: Arkansas, Pennsylvania, Colorado and others)
The pattern is clear, and frightening.
It seems that The left has much more work to do than just Getting Democrats Elected.
Thanks for the Heads Up.
---bvar22
A mainstream/Center loyal FDR/LBJ Working Class DEMOCRAT, now relegated to the "Fringe Left" wing of the "New Democrat" Centrist Party.
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center]
[/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
206 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Hey Unsensible Emo Prog Firebaggers: This Time I'm *Sure* I Got It Right!!! [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Dec 2012
OP
The Third Way are the Republicans that abandoned their Party to help us with ours. nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#129
Lol, yes we would! I love Taibbi, one of the few real journalists left in this
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#196
If it isnt a cut why offer it to the Repubicans? Dont think the Republicans would accept it
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#112
It is a horrible place to bargain from. He should tell the American people that
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#144
Yes, the Emo Prog overreaction to the comments is far worse than the comments themselves
Fumesucker
Dec 2012
#51
I think I ended up with 4 hides in Meta that night trying to get that off of DU.
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#127
Mad, it HAS been explained to you Over & Over that Charter Schools ARE Public Schools.
bvar22
Dec 2012
#94
Well excuse me for loving and supporting my President. We dont need people like you
loyalkydem
Dec 2012
#41
The Democratic Wing worries about programs, issues and policy and doesnt have time for hero worship.
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#115
You are exposing yourself. Democrats have historically argued and debated among themselves.
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#134
Yes I am. I am a Democrat. I believe that my representatives work for me. What do you believe in? nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#138
So pray tell me what issues you disagree with us progressives. Give me some facts from your
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#146
It was the right-wing of our party that didnt vote in 2010 or voted Republican. nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#120
MSNBC's Joy Reid and blogger/tweeter @shoq redefine emo prog as “Puritopian.”
madfloridian
Dec 2012
#45
Emo Progs crying out for attention by using the words of Sensible Pragmatists
Fumesucker
Dec 2012
#68
And as I said below, the definition and label are shameful. Not to be used by Democrats
madfloridian
Dec 2012
#70
Well, I think anyone who takes such an authoritarian approach is not a Democrat, so
MADem
Dec 2012
#168
wow, you're completely losing your shit, Manny. This is what a Second Obama term has made of you?
MjolnirTime
Dec 2012
#74
My memory is long enough to know that Manny has always detracted form Obama.
MjolnirTime
Dec 2012
#206
Reciting just a few lines we've all heard dozens of times has sure got you jacked up
Fumesucker
Dec 2012
#91
Your hair has been on fire so many times in the last 3 year, you must be bald by now.
JoePhilly
Dec 2012
#84
Is There A Deal That Contains Cuts? Legislation? How About Any Hypothetical Discussions?
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#151
Is Obama going to make a deal that cuts SS by the end of the year ... yes or no.
JoePhilly
Dec 2012
#163
Did he put it on the table this week, during the debt ceiling fight last year or ...
JoePhilly
Dec 2012
#182
The claim that Obama has "put SS on the table" here on DU actually goes back to the debt
JoePhilly
Dec 2012
#185
So That's In A Deal? Or Legislation? Part Of Some Current Negotiations Or Hypothetical Discussion?
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#164
So You Admit There Are No Current Discussions, Negotiations, Deals or Legislation Regarding Any Cuts
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#171
What Table Would They Be On, If They Are Not Included In Any Discussions, Negotiations, Deals or
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#174
What Table? They Are Not In Any Legislation, Deals, Discussions, Hypothetical or Otherwise
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#176
Actually, I'm Missing The Table, That Press Briefing Is Irrelevant, You Have Yet To Provide Anything
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#179
Reality? Like The Reality That There Are No Cuts, In Any Way Shape or Form, In A Deal, Discussion
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#181
For Pete's sake! Did Obama put SS on the table, according to Carney, or not?
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2012
#186
No, YOU Are Focusing On An IMAGINARY Table, One That Supposedly Has SS Cuts On It
Skraxx
Dec 2012
#194
I get confused as to whether I should rec a Third Way Manny post or not. In any case I sure aint
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#117