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beevul

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143. I didn't say the loosening of gun laws wasn't happening.

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:32 PM

Dec 2012

Last edited Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:10 AM - Edit history (1)

You made a specific claim.

I asked you to cite it.

You provided cites that do not support the claim you DID make, then tried to move the goalposts, and came up with some mumbo-jumbo from the VPC, dating back to the early to mid 90s, rather than anything current.

I could have just as easily said that the VPC isn't a reliable source anymore than the nra is, but I didn't even have to do that, since they don't back up your claim in the first place.

That says about all that needs saying, on that specific topic.

As far as "gun laws are being loosened", IF you want to name them specifically, and discuss them specifically, we can do that, provided you're talking about the present, rather than ressurecting recriminations from the past.

But, somehow, I don't think you have that in mind.

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Good point! Turbineguy Dec 2012 #1

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"Trained historian"! cleanhippie Dec 2012 #136

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and I have no way to refute your splendid knowledge of history. golfguru Dec 2012 #48

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Really? zappaman Dec 2012 #19

Precisely. It's an "accident" when cars kill people. Guns are designed for one goal Lex Dec 2012 #21

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What are the odds. wow. XRubicon Dec 2012 #73

Mechanical engineer OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #77

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RW talking point divorced from reality nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #24

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I'd like a cite for that. beevul Dec 2012 #101

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Uh yeah, except you said "the NRA is trying to restore gun rights to convicted felons", not... beevul Dec 2012 #113

Except the NRA and Alec ave been working on loosening nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #115

Well, I guess that excuses you from backing up what you said... beevul Dec 2012 #124

Yup I guess the media made this up nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #127

When called on bullshit, moving the goalposts is an excellent option! zappaman Dec 2012 #139

Oh and here you go nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #140

I believe you said "is trying to...", not "tried twelve plus years ago to...". beevul Dec 2012 #141

Look, loosening of gun laws is happening nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #142

I didn't say the loosening of gun laws wasn't happening. beevul Dec 2012 #143

How about these... billh58 Dec 2012 #151

Resurrected recriminations from over a decade ago. beevul Dec 2012 #158

Just as I suspected, point-by-point billh58 Dec 2012 #159

Typical. beevul Dec 2012 #160

More bile from the NRA... billh58 Dec 2012 #161

Snort. beevul Dec 2012 #162

Oh horseshit Bubba, I just proved that billh58 Dec 2012 #165

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Right Bubba. billh58 Dec 2012 #170

Yup, right. beevul Dec 2012 #172

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I am on permanent holiday lol golfguru Dec 2012 #61

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Straw Man. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #11

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Not just that, it's historically inaccurate. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #9

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My current memo is DO SOMETHING QUICK golfguru Dec 2012 #34

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The result of this line of thinking billh58 Dec 2012 #50

so golfguru Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #54

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Too bad BainsBane Dec 2012 #87

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Anit-gun laws...rofl! Rex Dec 2012 #96

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Defeatist bullshit. If we can get 50% off the street, let's do it. 30%, it is worth it. morningfog Dec 2012 #105

I think we should pass them just to piss off people like yourself. Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #106

Your post is complete nonsense. gulliver Dec 2012 #112

Excellent post! billh58 Dec 2012 #120

It is too soon to talk about gun laws... quaker bill Dec 2012 #119

I will conclude this thread with 3 points... golfguru Dec 2012 #129

Why only children? quaker bill Dec 2012 #132

Until the police do what really needs to be done, golfguru Dec 2012 #133

But wishful thinking is what WE are all about Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #122

You're missing the point - the convicted criminals aren't massacring scores of people at a time. dutchroll Dec 2012 #134

Indeed. nt XRubicon Dec 2012 #135

Thank you for billh58 Dec 2012 #150

australia. spanone Dec 2012 #138

+1. Robb Dec 2012 #168

"good guys" and "bad guys" is a fallacy, non-starter jade3000 Dec 2012 #147

yes and no golfguru Dec 2012 #148

sort of, but what about the future jade3000 Dec 2012 #149

Your scenario is improbable but has a small possibility golfguru Dec 2012 #176

Allow me to fix that title for you. billh58 Dec 2012 #152

Believe he meant: We had terrible public policy;therefore must continue to have it. Disgraceland Dec 2012 #154

I believe collecting guns door to door... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #153

Thank you for your support: billh58 Dec 2012 #156

No need to go door to door - just have designated collections points...maybe at Gun Stores? jmg257 Dec 2012 #163

Imagine buying back all 300 mil guns JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #167

Just to be clear - it is not my plan to buy back 300 million guns. jmg257 Dec 2012 #171

Confiscation? JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #178

Sorry. We tried your way. Robb Dec 2012 #169

With all due respect, Robb... beevul Dec 2012 #175

What percentage of the American population qualifies as "the bad guys?" stopbush Dec 2012 #177

In theory you sound good golfguru Dec 2012 #182

America is a gun culture jambo101 Dec 2012 #179

Just as a reminder billh58 Dec 2012 #181